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Yeah...but Kobe missed the game winner last night. We needed that win. Seems like the team laid down a little bit just because the Spurs lost. We're still in first place but could use a little space.

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Yeah...but Kobe missed the game winner last night. We needed that win. Seems like the team laid down a little bit just because the Spurs lost. We're still in first place but could use a little space.


We tend to play down to our competition....after Toronto on tommorrow we have a very tough road trip stretch...Hornets, Rockets, Dallas and Utah......then it gets easy for the next 5 or 6 games....This road stretch will define us for the rest of the season.....

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No great leader I've ever seen has stayed quiet in a time when his team was understaffed or underperforming.


Good point! Magic, Bird & Jordan were all vocal and were considered tough leaders who wanted to win and their teammates to play at a high level and the minute Kobe does it, he is considered a complainer. I know it is hard to put Kobe in those guys class until he wins it without Shaq!

I have seen Labron in the last seconds of a game and he looks like a lost puppy. Kobe wants the last shot and is willing to drive to the basket, take the defense on while Labron who has a massive body will settle for that "Shakey Jumper" that he has and refuse to go to the basket, look at the Spurs series last year and you will see it over and over again. In the last seconds of a game, give me Kobe over James any day of the week.


Last year is ancient history. Have you seen LEBRON lately... I guess not...The Man has developed infinite range. He shoots well beyond the 3pt line with a flick of the wrist. LEBRON is ready to surpass KOBE and anyone else. The NBA is LEBRON's show now. LEBRON shoots 30 footers like they are free throws.

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As far as MVP, ...the Celtics have the best record and the greatest turnaround. Garnett is a serious candidate for MVP along with LEBRON and KOBE.

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LEBRON
PPG 30.9
REB 8.0
ASST 7.4
FG% 48.7



KOBE
PPG 28.1
REB 6.1
ASST 5.3
FG% 46.4

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no..no...no. Remember, stats don't matter. Isn't that the crap everyone said when Kobe was blowing up the record books over the last three years? Hmmmmm.....

Lebron is still a streak shooter from long distance. Kobe is in another class right now. But....it's just a matter of time. Of course NIKE is trying to brainwash us all but if you truly look at LeBron's game he's like a boy with a big...but doesn't know how to truly work it yet.

Lebron is a combination of Shaq and Kobe. He's Great!! An athlete in another caliber.
Kobe deserved the MVP because of the TRADE. The Kobe vs Shaq trade. Kobe has the Laker's back and many naysayers didn't think the Lakers would return. btw,....we were back before Pau Gasol. We were already a title contender. Heck, we even played decent without Bynum and Gasol for eight games. Kobe put the franchise on his back and Shaq is now an afterthought. Laker merchandise and the Laker bandwagon is back in business.

Stern, NIKE and McDonald's will get LeBron his generation next MVP's in the near future. Don't worry about that. He's the media darling that Kobe fans may diss just as Jordan fans dissed Kobe.

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no..no...no. Remember, stats don't matter. Isn't that the crap everyone said when Kobe was blowing up the record books over the last three years? Hmmmmm.....

Lebron is still a streak shooter from long distance. Kobe is in another class right now. But....it's just a matter of time. Of course NIKE is trying to brainwash us all but if you truly look at LeBron's game he's like a boy with a big...but doesn't know how to truly work it yet.

Lebron is a combination of Shaq and Kobe. He's Great!! An athlete in another caliber.
Kobe deserved the MVP because of the TRADE. The Kobe vs Shaq trade. Kobe has the Laker's back and many naysayers didn't think the Lakers would return. btw,....we were back before Pau Gasol. We were already a title contender. Heck, we even played decent without Bynum and Gasol for eight games. Kobe put the franchise on his back and Shaq is now an afterthought. Laker merchandise and the Laker bandwagon is back in business.

Stern, NIKE and McDonald's will get LeBron his generation next MVP's in the near future. Don't worry about that. He's the media darling that Kobe fans may diss just as Jordan fans dissed Kobe.


I think Kobe Bryant should win the MVP this year. However, I don't think it will be a landslide victory by any means. It's really hard to ignore 30, 8 and 7.

You want to talk about Kobe putting the Lakers on his back, Lebron has been doing the same thing as well with the Cavs, if not more than Kobe.

Say what you want about their dueling images and how it relates to marketing the NBA, but Lebron James has been playing out of his mind all season. I think this is going to be the closet MVP race we have seen in a long time. And it should be fun to watch.
 
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Kobe maybe a better all around player than LeBron-RIGHT NOW. But Lebron showed the world what he is made of in the series against Detriot-especially in game five.

Speaking of the finals, Kobe had Shaq, Fisher, Horry, Green, Grant, and others. Lebron does not have a Shaq. He does not have a Pippen or a Grant.

As for this season, King James is doing just fine.
 
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I think Kobe Bryant should win the MVP this year. However, I don't think it will be a landslide victory by any means. It's really hard to ignore 30, 8 and 7.

Well they sure as hell ignored those numbers when Kobe put them up back-to-back lead scoring years. smh.....

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But Lebron showed the world what he is made of in the series against Detriot-especially in game five.

Speaking of the finals, Kobe had Shaq, Fisher, Horry, Green, Grant, and others. Lebron does not have a Shaq. He does not have a Pippen or a Grant.

Kobe didn't have A.C.Green or Grant and all of the other Lakers back then were average at best. The only season player was Horry and he came off the bench. That team was basically Kobe and Shaq. Would Shaq have won without Kobe? I don't thin so. But.....would Shaq have won one in Miami without Wade? I know he wouldn't have.

No way to get around it. People are trying to have double standards when it comes to Kobe. He is the best in basketball and should have earned at least one MVP by now maybe two. The league and writers have an agenda.

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I think Kobe Bryant should win the MVP this year. However, I don't think it will be a landslide victory by any means. It's really hard to ignore 30, 8 and 7.

Well they sure as hell ignored those numbers when Kobe put them up back-to-back lead scoring years. smh.....

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But Lebron showed the world what he is made of in the series against Detriot-especially in game five.

Speaking of the finals, Kobe had Shaq, Fisher, Horry, Green, Grant, and others. Lebron does not have a Shaq. He does not have a Pippen or a Grant.

Kobe didn't have A.C.Green or Grant and all of the other Lakers back then were average at best. The only season player was Horry and he came off the bench. That team was basically Kobe and Shaq. Would Shaq have won without Kobe? I don't thin so. But.....would Shaq have won one in Miami without Wade? I know he wouldn't have.

No way to get around it. People are trying to have double standards when it comes to Kobe. He is the best in basketball and should have earned at least one MVP by now maybe two. The league and writers have an agenda.


KOBE has received what he has earned. His self-centeredness and character issues (alleged rape or whatever u want to call it) has cost him. KOBE turned off a lot of fans with the Shaq trade matter and childish feud with the coach & management and his public demand for trade.

Lets not forget the NBA/Stern is seriously concerned about image. Did they want someone who cheated on his wife and was accused of rape to be the MVP?? Don't think so.

And pretty soon and I mean very soon, LEBRON will surpass him. And the league is waiting to embrace their new supertar....the KING.

Kobe does not even have a trade name.

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People talk about the self centeredness and arrogance as if it's some written fact. These are fairy tale thoughts invoke by people who are bent on shooting down the guy dubbed the "next Jordan". If you didn't embrace that concept, then you dismissed all things Kobe. Case in point is you talking about Kobe doesn't even have a brand name. That's the most stupid thing I've ever heard a Kobe Hater say.

You fool!!! Kobe name is his brand. The man is referred to as....just...."KOBE". Not KB...not Kobe Bryant...but just "KOBE". A la...PRINCE...STING....etc. That's when you have become a star in another strastophere. He may not be getting McDonald commericials anymore but, he's a instant media draw and headline stopper. People the Lakers sellout all roads games because folks want to see KOBE. That's also true for LeBron. I think.

give it a breadk dude. smh...smh...

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I think Kobe Bryant should win the MVP this year. However, I don't think it will be a landslide victory by any means. It's really hard to ignore 30, 8 and 7.

Well they sure as hell ignored those numbers when Kobe put them up back-to-back lead scoring years. smh.....

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But Lebron showed the world what he is made of in the series against Detriot-especially in game five.

Speaking of the finals, Kobe had Shaq, Fisher, Horry, Green, Grant, and others. Lebron does not have a Shaq. He does not have a Pippen or a Grant.

Kobe didn't have A.C.Green or Grant and all of the other Lakers back then were average at best. The only season player was Horry and he came off the bench. That team was basically Kobe and Shaq. Would Shaq have won without Kobe? I don't thin so. But.....would Shaq have won one in Miami without Wade? I know he wouldn't have.

No way to get around it. People are trying to have double standards when it comes to Kobe. He is the best in basketball and should have earned at least one MVP by now maybe two. The league and writers have an agenda.


Horace Grant and A.C. Green were key roll players on some of the last championship teams of the Lakers. There were others that I did not mention. Kareem was the number one for about four of the five championship teams during the '80s. (I was a huge fan Kareem and Magic.) Shaq was the number one option of the last Laker championship teams. Magic along with Michael Cooper, Jamal Wilkes, Bob McAdoo, Byron Scott, Norm Nixon, and others understood very well that they needed to get the ball to Kareem often as possible. From what I saw Kobe had some problems with that (getting Shaq the ball) when Shaq was a teammate of his. But he was young and may have learned from those years.

But I will say this. He was my choice for MVP last season.
 
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Shaq was the number one option of the last Laker championship teams. Magic along with Michael Cooper, Jamal Wilkes, Bob McAdoo, Byron Scott, Norm Nixon, and others understood very well that they needed to get the ball to Kareem often as possible. From what I saw Kobe had some problems with that (getting Shaq the ball) when Shaq was a teammate of his. But he was young and may have learned from those years.

Whoa!!! Shaq wasn't Kareem. Couldn't carry Kareem's jock. Kareem was an all time leading scorer. Shaq was never the number one option per se. Shaq didn't have the low post skill sets of most great big men. Shaq was just huge..physically the most dominating player since Chamberlain. Chamberlain played when most centers were 6'8". btw, research revealed that over 50% of the passes thrown to Shaq that resulted in a score came from KOBE. Kobe took shots away from Shaq because Shaq missed so many shots outside of the basket. He was a great "dunker" but, he had that permanently damage wrist injury that affected his touch. Shaq was just so jealous and selfish he wanted ALL of the touches. Roll Eyes If things had gone Shaq's way we may not have ever won a title. I'm glad Kobe took his shots. Especially in the 4th quarter. Kobe and Shaq were a combo. Don't forget that.

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Where did I say that Shaq was Kareem? Where have I said that anyone was Kareem?

I will rephrase what I said. On the last three Laker championship team Shaq was the number one option. He was the dominate force in the league during those years.
 
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People talk about the self centeredness and arrogance as if it's some written fact. These are fairy tale thoughts invoke by people who are bent on shooting down the guy dubbed the "next Jordan


It is what it is and KOBE has earned it. Perception is Reality.

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It is what it is and KOBE has earned it. Perception is Reality.

White folks use to say that about our civil right concerns. They had all kind of false perception about US....and it was what it was. Bullschitt!! Just because people have a concensus opinion doesn't mean it's right.


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Where did I say that Shaq was Kareem? Where have I said that anyone was Kareem?

Huh? C'mon man you said:
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....others understood very well that they needed to get the ball to Kareem often as possible. From what I saw Kobe had some problems with that (getting Shaq the ball) when Shaq was a teammate of his.

Now, that's saying Shaq should have been treated like Kareem. You're crazy if you believe that. Crazy!!

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It is what it is and KOBE has earned it. Perception is Reality.

White folks use to say that about our civil right concerns. They had all kind of false perception about US....and it was what it was. Bullschitt!! Just because people have a concensus opinion doesn't mean it's right.


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Where did I say that Shaq was Kareem? Where have I said that anyone was Kareem?

Huh? C'mon man you said:
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....others understood very well that they needed to get the ball to Kareem often as possible. From what I saw Kobe had some problems with that (getting Shaq the ball) when Shaq was a teammate of his.

Now, that's saying Shaq should have been treated like Kareem. You're crazy if you believe that. Crazy!!


In New York they had to get Ewing the ball. In Boston it was Bird. In Chicago it was Jordan. In Detriot it was Thomas. In 1977 the 'Blazers had to get Bill Walton the ball. Barkely got the ball in Pheonix, and Dominique got it in Atlanta. In Houston it was Moses Malone and later Hakeem. In 1983 the Sixer players had to get Moses the ball then. Do I have to say anymore?
 
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Other than you don't know jack about basketball no. Laugh

Man...puleeezz!!! The Celtics had a "real" post player in McKale. The best post moves in the business. Shaq could have learned a ton from Kevin McKale. Ewing...was so so as an offensive player. That might have a little something to do with Patrick not getting a title. Heck..he only got half way close when Jordan retired. The Blazers had a team thing going. Walton was hurt half his career. Barkely....???? That loser and attempted cherry picker. Barkley shop himself around the league begging for a title. Dominique...WTF did the Hawks EVER DO? In Houston it was the "twin towers" not just Hakeem.

Your last post was commical!!! Laugh

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Other than you don't know jack about basketball no. Laugh

Man...puleeezz!!! The Celtics had a "real" post player in McKale. The best post moves in the business. Shaq could have learned a ton from Kevin McKale. Ewing...was so so as an offensive player. That might have a little something to do with Patrick not getting a title. Heck..he only got half way close when Jordan retired. The Blazers had a team thing going. Walton was hurt half his career. Barkely....???? That loser and attempted cherry picker. Barkley shop himself around the league begging for a title. Dominique...WTF did the Hawks EVER DO? In Houston it was the "twin towers" not just Hakeem.

Your last post was commical!!! Laugh


As I said during four of the five championship years during the '80s, Kareem was the number one option in Los Angeles.

For their last three titles for the Lakers, Shaq was the number one option.

Read very carefully!
 
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