Perhaps the challenge was sold to the schools as a SWAC champ vs. MEAC champ game. And last year game was communicated as an aberration, but it would continue as champ vs. champ. Who knows?

I think having it in Orlando is flawed because you can almost never have FAMU & BCC in it because they already play there for the Florida Classic. And who wants to play in the same city twice.

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Originally posted by ¡ROCKETPWR!:

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Originally posted by FAMUVenom:
(2) Who was the "promoter" they are referring to in the first place?

"One man's trash is another man's treasure!"

Maybe the writer is referring to Ford Motor Co...I explicitly remember seeing that MEAC/SWAC Challenges I and II were both sponsored by Ford...and I believe ESPN's involvement was restricted to just owning the tv rights to the game the first two years...but after Ford bolted (before last year's contest was arranged)...ESPN just took control over the whole event after seeing the growth potential...

I honestly believe that the last minute date change from Sunday to Saturday (ie Miles College non-compliance)...in addition to predicted inclimate weather...had an adverse effect on attendance at last year's FAMU vs SU Challenge...

Sponsorship and promotion are 2 different things. ESPN has always owned the event.

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Originally posted by FAMUVenom:

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Originally posted by decatur g:
I read that in todays Wilmington (DE) News-Journal. I have some issues with a couple of things:
1. Even though MEAC/SWAC Challenge I and Challenge II pattern seemed to pit the previous years' MEAC and SWAC champs ), last year was anything but... neither Southern or FAMU were in '06 but were selected for MEAC/SWAC Challenge III.......and when this game was started, only internet fodder (meaning MEACfans and maybe SWACPage) talked it up as a matchup of the previous years champs.......ESPN nor either commish/official conf. spokesperson committed the previous years' champ to the game.

2. Did the MEAC/SWAC Challenge relocate due to a promotor issue (as mentioned in article) or was it due to a pre-planned rotation between SWAC footprint and MEAC footprint (part of original plan)?

(1) FAMU & Southern were recruited to try to save face for this three-year old "Bag Of Rocks" Debacle that the two Commishes sold to D'Whyte ... And once they ALL WTFU and realized that if the two biggest traveling HBCU fanbases couldn't fill that joint up there ... "NOBODY WILL!"

(2) Who was the "promoter" they are referring to in the first place?

Either way ... Refer back to #1 for why they possibly bolted.

DSU ...
Don't worry 'bout not playing in front of Tom Joyner and Mickey - and the other handful of folks that'll be there - in an empty "Sit-Rust Bowl" in August ...



"Just get yo' @sses ready to get steamrolled on September 6th ... AT HOME!"

Dude are you nuts??!! The TWO biggest traveling fanbases in HBCU?? Dude, quit lying and get your facts together. FAMU has nothing on JSU when it comes to a traveling fanbase.

The two biggest HBCU traveling fanbases are easily Jackson State and Southern.

WELL ...

I guess you all will get that chance to prove that statement on Aug. 31st ... "Now won't cha?"

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Originally posted by FAMUVenom:
WELL ...

I guess you all will get that chance to prove that statement on Aug. 31st ... "Now won't cha?"

Dude, the evidence is out there. I know you have access to the numbers, so I won't even bother to go there. Just admit that you made a mistake and be through with it.

^^^As far as I know...there is no data to objectively quantify travelling fan bases...but when you find the source...then enlighten us all...

You're right jag4life...ERT has always been the owner...Ford was just the title sponsor for the first two challenges...

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Originally posted by ¡ROCKETPWR!:
^^^As far as I know...there is no data to objectively quantify travelling fan bases...but when you find the source...then enlighten us all...

You're right jag4life...ERT has always been the owner...Ford was just the title sponsor for the first two challenges...

Dude, you can quantify the numbers with simple common sense. It's clearly understood that teams with a decent home attendance average usually have a decent traveling fan base as well.

Magic, you obviously know nothing about DSU's roster, and who's back and who ain't.

You need to read-up my little brother, and be counted as one of the educated. DSU will have a better Team than last year. That's not gonna' necessarily equate into a MEAC Crown, because anything can happen.

We will be in the top three, that's for doggone sho!

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Originally posted by JayRob:

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Originally posted by ¡ROCKETPWR!:
^^^As far as I know...there is no data to objectively quantify travelling fan bases...but when you find the source...then enlighten us all...

You're right jag4life...ERT has always been the owner...Ford was just the title sponsor for the first two challenges...

Dude, you can quantify the numbers with simple common sense. It's clearly understood that teams with a decent home attendance average usually have a decent traveling fan base as well.

I'm sorry how can you sit there and say FAMU fans don't travel...no for real

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Originally posted by Alpha72:
blueblood, I'm not sure the man is "crying" as you put it. Perhaps he's just not really familiar with the way certain vegetative being person thinks and operates. Give him a chance.

While we all know that the winning schools are not necessarily chosen, keep in mind that most coaches (any sport) do not actively engage with the head office. That is generally done by the AD, president/proxy. DSU has a new AD right? So, it might stand to reason that without really paying attention to who won what, who's in where, it's a logical thought-albiet incorrect.

And what's up with the mental leap that they are doing such and so because they want to leave? Huh? WTH?

Believe me when I say some of yall are worse than menopausal women. Good grief. Yall always looking for something to jump out and yell BOO.

As far as DSU being invited, my thoughts probably mirror many folks' thoughts in that they just don't travel well. The conference may have looked at their travel attendance within conference and thought, "Hmmm....not the best choice if you wanna clear the red". Honest to Gosh, it's one of the two schools in the conference that anyone can play on their Homecoming and they won't even float expenses for the 30 people in the band to come. MSU, yall the other one (just in case someone tries to guess.)

Boo hoo is what I hear constantly from Del. State. This article is nothing but LAvan crying and trying to justify that the MEAC is a terrible conference and Del wants to leave. They have been crying this way for some years now.

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Originally posted by hampton blueblood:

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Originally posted by Alpha72:
blueblood, I'm not sure the man is "crying" as you put it. Perhaps he's just not really familiar with the way certain vegetative being person thinks and operates. Give him a chance.

While we all know that the winning schools are not necessarily chosen, keep in mind that most coaches (any sport) do not actively engage with the head office. That is generally done by the AD, president/proxy. DSU has a new AD right? So, it might stand to reason that without really paying attention to who won what, who's in where, it's a logical thought-albiet incorrect.

And what's up with the mental leap that they are doing such and so because they want to leave? Huh? WTH?

Believe me when I say some of yall are worse than menopausal women. Good grief. Yall always looking for something to jump out and yell BOO.

As far as DSU being invited, my thoughts probably mirror many folks' thoughts in that they just don't travel well. The conference may have looked at their travel attendance within conference and thought, "Hmmm....not the best choice if you wanna clear the red". Honest to Gosh, it's one of the two schools in the conference that anyone can play on their Homecoming and they won't even float expenses for the 30 people in the band to come. MSU, yall the other one (just in case someone tries to guess.)

Boo hoo is what I hear constantly from Del. State. This article is nothing but LAvan crying and trying to justify that the MEAC is a terrible conference and Del wants to leave. They have been crying this way for some years now.

It amazes me how everybody thinks they know what Delaware State is going to do and how they're going to do it. Maybe it's wishful thinking on your part about us leaving, but it won't happen. Don't get mad, don't even get even. Get better.

Blueblood...

come back to earth..

if you think it and say it enough, you'll start to believe it...that might be whats happening

lol

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Originally posted by sport1981:

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Originally posted by hampton blueblood:

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Originally posted by Alpha72:
blueblood, I'm not sure the man is "crying" as you put it. Perhaps he's just not really familiar with the way certain vegetative being person thinks and operates. Give him a chance.

While we all know that the winning schools are not necessarily chosen, keep in mind that most coaches (any sport) do not actively engage with the head office. That is generally done by the AD, president/proxy. DSU has a new AD right? So, it might stand to reason that without really paying attention to who won what, who's in where, it's a logical thought-albiet incorrect.

And what's up with the mental leap that they are doing such and so because they want to leave? Huh? WTH?

Believe me when I say some of yall are worse than menopausal women. Good grief. Yall always looking for something to jump out and yell BOO.

As far as DSU being invited, my thoughts probably mirror many folks' thoughts in that they just don't travel well. The conference may have looked at their travel attendance within conference and thought, "Hmmm....not the best choice if you wanna clear the red". Honest to Gosh, it's one of the two schools in the conference that anyone can play on their Homecoming and they won't even float expenses for the 30 people in the band to come. MSU, yall the other one (just in case someone tries to guess.)

Boo hoo is what I hear constantly from Del. State. This article is nothing but LAvan crying and trying to justify that the MEAC is a terrible conference and Del wants to leave. They have been crying this way for some years now.

It amazes me how everybody thinks they know what Delaware State is going to do and how they're going to do it. Maybe it's wishful thinking on your part about us leaving, but it won't happen. Don't get mad, don't even get even. Get better.

That's not true. I have no idea whatsoever what DSU is up to!

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Originally posted by sport1981:

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Originally posted by hampton blueblood:

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Originally posted by Alpha72:
blueblood, I'm not sure the man is "crying" as you put it. Perhaps he's just not really familiar with the way certain vegetative being person thinks and operates. Give him a chance.

While we all know that the winning schools are not necessarily chosen, keep in mind that most coaches (any sport) do not actively engage with the head office. That is generally done by the AD, president/proxy. DSU has a new AD right? So, it might stand to reason that without really paying attention to who won what, who's in where, it's a logical thought-albiet incorrect.

And what's up with the mental leap that they are doing such and so because they want to leave? Huh? WTH?

Believe me when I say some of yall are worse than menopausal women. Good grief. Yall always looking for something to jump out and yell BOO.

As far as DSU being invited, my thoughts probably mirror many folks' thoughts in that they just don't travel well. The conference may have looked at their travel attendance within conference and thought, "Hmmm....not the best choice if you wanna clear the red". Honest to Gosh, it's one of the two schools in the conference that anyone can play on their Homecoming and they won't even float expenses for the 30 people in the band to come. MSU, yall the other one (just in case someone tries to guess.)

Boo hoo is what I hear constantly from Del. State. This article is nothing but LAvan crying and trying to justify that the MEAC is a terrible conference and Del wants to leave. They have been crying this way for some years now.

It amazes me how everybody thinks they know what Delaware State is going to do and how they're going to do it. Maybe it's wishful thinking on your part about us leaving, but it won't happen. Don't get mad, don't even get even. Get better.

Really, like I want you to go because you guys are so dominant? WTF! you succeed 1 count it 1 year in football and now we all want you to go because you are so dominant? Whatever stop smokin weed and maybe you will come back to earth!

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Originally posted by JayRob:

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Originally posted by FAMUVenom:
WELL ...

I guess you all will get that chance to prove that statement on Aug. 31st ... "Now won't cha?"

Dude, the evidence is out there. I know you have access to the numbers, so I won't even bother to go there. Just admit that you made a mistake and be through with it.

The only numbers that will validate your claim are the ones you all put up on Aug. 31st ... After all - There IS another team that's playing you all too!

So let's revisit this one after Labor Day Weekend ... Simply "Just Show Up!" ... & Prove Yourself Right!

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Originally posted by FAMUVenom:

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Originally posted by JayRob:

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Originally posted by FAMUVenom:
WELL ...

I guess you all will get that chance to prove that statement on Aug. 31st ... "Now won't cha?"

Dude, the evidence is out there. I know you have access to the numbers, so I won't even bother to go there. Just admit that you made a mistake and be through with it.

The only numbers that will validate your claim are the ones you all put up on Aug. 31st ... After all - There IS another team that's playing you all too!

So let's revisit this one after Labor Day Weekend ... Simply "Just Show Up!" ... & Prove Yourself Right!

Where are your numbers to validate your theory that FAMU has better numbers?

So based on your analysis, in spite of JSU's history of leading HBCU's in attendance, one game will make or break it's attendance dominance?! Dude, are you serious? FAMU's attendance, year in and year out is oftentimes less than JSU's attendance, whether it's at home OR on the road.

Come on dude, you're better than that...I think.

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"Just Show Up!" ... And prove it Labor Day Weekend.

All this prognostication of what you've been able to accomplish over in MS over the years won't mean a hill of beans if y'all don't all make the trek to Orlando ... So the only Thang that's gonna matter is how many folks you all put in the "Sit-Rust Bowl" on Aug. 31st.

Just Like Kanye & Pharrell ...
"You're Only As Good As Your LAST Beat!"

No need to stretch this into some 4-months long debate over nothing but conjecture ... "See You September 2nd!"

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Originally posted by FAMUVenom:
Just Show Up ... And prove it Labor Day Weekend ...

All this prognostication of what you've been able to accomplish in MS over the years won't mean a hill of beans if y'all don't make the trek to Orlando ... So the only Thang that's gonna matter is how many folks you all put in the "Sit-Rust Bowl" on Aug. 31st.

Just Like Kanye & Pharrell ...
"You're Only As Good As Your Last Beat!"

"See You September 2nd!"

Dude that's not logical thinking at all. How many did FAMU bring to Birmingham for an opening game last season against SU? Since it was the FIRST game of the year, you'd think the numbers would've been higher than 30,000. And to top it off, Southern had more fans than you at the game, so the numbers could easily go 18,000 for Southern and only 12,000 for FAMU, and that's giving FAMU the benefit of the doubt.

When JSU played in Birmingham, the total attendance was 43,000, with at least 39,000 of the fans being JSU fans. That doesn't really matter though, simply because it's only ONE game. It's ludricous to think that a school's entire history would be based on one game, ESPECIALLY if the games' 15 hours away.

As I recall, weren't you the main one complaining about having to play twice in Orlando due to possible fan participation or lack thereof, now you're suddenly claiming attendance dominance over JSU?! Hahahaha!! Dude, you're REAL funny.

FTR ...
Although it's relatively early to call ...



Depending on the level of TJ influence on it .. Word on the streetz so far is that the game might break 30K ... And if it does it will mainly be because of the folks that you all bring from that side of the river ...

So ...

"Just

Show

Up!"

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Originally posted by JayRob:

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Originally posted by FAMUVenom:
Just Show Up ... And prove it Labor Day Weekend ...

All this prognostication of what you've been able to accomplish in MS over the years won't mean a hill of beans if y'all don't make the trek to Orlando ... So the only Thang that's gonna matter is how many folks you all put in the "Sit-Rust Bowl" on Aug. 31st.

Just Like Kanye & Pharrell ...
"You're Only As Good As Your Last Beat!"

"See You September 2nd!"

Dude that's not logical thinking at all. How many did FAMU bring to Birmingham for an opening game last season against SU? Since it was the FIRST game of the year, you'd think the numbers would've been higher than 30,000. And to top it off, Southern had more fans than you at the game, so the numbers could easily go 18,000 for Southern and only 12,000 for FAMU, and that's giving FAMU the benefit of the doubt.

When JSU played in Birmingham, the total attendance was 43,000, with at least 39,000 of the fans being JSU fans. That doesn't really matter though, simply because it's only ONE game. It's ludricous to think that a school's entire history would be based on one game, ESPECIALLY if the games' 15 hours away.

As I recall, weren't you the main one complaining about having to play twice in Orlando due to possible fan participation or lack thereof, now you're suddenly claiming attendance dominance over JSU?! Hahahaha!! Dude, you're REAL funny.

I guess you dont know what "objectively quantify" means Not only is your technique not scientific...it's not accurate either...It's obvious that you werent present in Bham for last year's challenge because purely based on observation...there were more FAMUans in Legion Field than Jags...Also the last minute date change from Sunday to Saturday had an adverse effect on the attendance numbers...In fact there were people on this same message board who could not modify their travel plans as a result of the change...

Then here you are attempting to compare the attendance between a non conference game to a SWAC championship rivalry game is about as asanine as JSU hiring that water boy Hughes for a head coach...I know you're more intelligent than that JayRob...it would make more common sense to compare this year's challenge with last year's challenge...

Also JSU's home attendance sometimes average more than FAMU's because JSU oftentimes has more home games during the season than FAMU...we avg 4 games/yr while JSU has 5 or 6...

As far as away games...there's no data that you have access to in order to objectively substatiate your claims that decent home attendance equates to decent travel...but let me know when you find that...okay???

And just because fans choose not to attend a game twice in the same city does not reflect on that school's loyal travelling fan base...it's a reflection of the economic choice driven decisions those fans have to make...C'mon JayRob...use that good ol' common sense, pal