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Originally posted by Jafus (Thinker):
Alpha72 (Outsider & Oleschoolaggie),

Thanks for the acknowledgement

Aggiehood08,

In terms of what.

PunchyKKY,

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Not only that, but can somebody tell me how much longer Savannah State is gonna be on probation?

If the comply with the request of the NCAA, they will complete their probationary period after the 2008-2009 academic calendar year (i.e. 3-year probation in 2006). That would be just before the 2009 MEAC Spring Meetings.

how it effect revenue and scheduling just in depth like you did before for nccu and ssu

Aggiehood08,

To be honest it takes a great deal of time and resources for me to utilize THG Agency personnel to run analysis of this sort.

But, I will tell you this, the biggest issue with Virginia State is simply timing. Remember with the recent NCAA moratorium to freeze divisional movement and reclassification. It would be difficult for the MEAC Office/Commissioner and or MEAC Council of President/Chancellors to seriously consider Virginia State University for expansion since it would be about 9-10 years before they would be eligible to participate in MEAC championships. Five years before MEAC would even to address the expansion (4-year moratorium and 1-transition).

Based on the 2007 August ruling to adopt a four-year moratorium on permitting institutions to begin the process of joining the division or changing subdivisions within Division I. and the seven-year Division I provisional-membership process for new NCAA members or the five-year process to move from Division II.

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Originally posted by Jafus (Thinker):
Aggiehood08,

To be honest it takes a great deal of time and resources for me to utilize THG Agency personnel to run analysis of this sort.

But, I will tell you this, the biggest issue with Virginia State is simply timing. Remember with the recent NCAA moratorium to freeze divisional movement and reclassification. It would be difficult for the MEAC Office/Commissioner and or MEAC Council of President/Chancellors to seriously consider Virginia State University for expansion since it would be about 9-10 years before they would be eligible to participate in MEAC championships. Five years before MEAC would even to address the expansion (4-year moratorium and 1-transition).

Based on the 2007 August ruling to adopt a four-year moratorium on permitting institutions to begin the process of joining the division or changing subdivisions within Division I. and the seven-year Division I provisional-membership process for new NCAA members or the five-year process to move from Division II.

I did not want you to go out the way! I do thank you for atleast considering it.

Thanks!! No Problem!!

So far so good. Caution: Be careful when using closely pronounced words such as your and you're. Those are slippery sometimes.

Alpha72,

Smile!!

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Originally posted by Alpha72:
So far so good. Caution: Be careful when using closely pronounced words such as your and you're. Those are slippery sometimes.

hey alpha how is yer doin'???

your coming to daytona when we play bcu in september?

First let me first acknowledge that I am not an HBCU athletic director, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Having said that, here is what makes sense to me.......

SSU to be in or not to be in the meac?
The argument about SSU providing an opportunity to lower travel costs is practical and reasonable. I cant give any testament to the GA fan base as I have no knowledge of SSU athletics and SSU's draw power. However, I would support SSU getting in IF and ONLY IF the conference gets its head out of its a$$ and comes in to the financial and competitive realities of college athletics in the 21st century. Meaning, if having SSU in the conference provides an opportunity to fragment in to a North and South division of the MEAC it makes sense. First, it lowers travel costs for all MEAC schools. Lets face it, not all of us are flush with cash and it is a limiting factor to what we can do as far as facilities, recruiting, marketing, etc. Next and even more important in my opinion is that if SSU's presence in the MEAC allows us to fragment in to a North and South Division, that would free up slots on our schedules to get some real OOC games. I dont think anyone can argue against the importance of a strong OOC schedule. Historically, the lack of quality OOC games and the LACK of exposure that results from it is a MAJOR reason we are where we are in terms of piss poor playoff performance AND lack of recognition and respect from the selection committee come tourney time.

With that in mind, I can apply the same logic to the presence of NCCU in the MEAC. The MEAC has a monster strong fan base in North Carolina with A&T, WSSU. Why not solidify that base with NCCU? Most of us know what a big draw the Aggie -Eagle classic was. It was also a major revenue source for both schools. Again NCCU in conference makes fragmenting easier. Again, if we fragment in to a North and South division, we all have more opportunity for strong OOC games, exposure and heaven forbid more MONEY games to help fund our respective budgets. How is that wrong?

Kicking the dog piss out of each other only to get our draws RIPPED OFF on national TV in the tourney does us no good whatsoever. In fact it hurts us. It gives the selection committee continued reason to turn its nose up at us and it gives potential athletes reason not to attend a MEAC school given the conference's lack of competitiveness. And financially speaking, when the conference champion gets ripped in the playoffs it hurts fund raising. Or so I think. Everyone (and their wallets/purses) loves a winner. Yes, there are some that are going to support regardless, but I honestly believe there would be more digging to financially support if the conference was winning on a national level.

Just my thoughts....from a NON HBCU Athletic Director that did NOT stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Big Ups Jafus


Jafus, what are a couple of major problems in getting HBCUs to look into building sporting events to get bigger dollars to their schools?

My guess is that the leaders of the HBCUs are educators and not sport business people. Plus, they may be discouraged by their dealings with the black public which can be very trying on one's "can do" attitude, so they just stick to the difficult task of educating their students population.

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Originally posted by aggiehood08:
Jafus can you look into how Virginia State will affect the conference???

"Come On Man!"

Jafus has got us a nice, hooked up, and feasibly balanced joint already set up ...

"Let's not go throw another monkey wrench into this!"

I think the best deal for us would be the 12 team football setup playing three teams in the other division one year and the other three the other year, and simply flipflopping the home & away dates. That way you play every one at least every other year, and they at least get to play in your crib every four.

As for the B-Ball, playing everyone on a home & away would give us all a total of 26 games ... and would minimize the number of those I-A "December Debacles" ... and in the MEAC Tourney the two Division Champs get a buy, and the other 12 play the opening round.

Will miss beating up on A&T but every OTHER year ... But then again - They'll also have a much better chance at regaining a Divisional Championship up there in the North!!!

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Will miss beating up on A&T but every OTHER year ... But then again - They'll also have a much better chance at regaining a Divisional Championship up there in the North!!!

For the Record, Isn't NCCU further North than NCA&T?

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Second a 12-member alignment has several options:

MEAC Football

Northern Division:
1) Delaware State University
2) Hampton University
3) Howard University
4) Morgan State University
5) Norfolk State University
6) North Carolina A & T State University

Southern Division:
7) Bethune-Cookman University
8) Florida A & M University
9) *North Carolina Central University
10) *Savannah State University
11) South Carolina State University
12) Winston-Salem State University

Jafus (Thinker)

Is there any reason why you placed NCA&T in the proposed Northern MEAC Football Division and Not NCCU? I am just asking, I am not trying to start any type of debate or anything.

Take care!

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Originally posted by Bro. Askia Musa Afiba:
TightEye

NCCU is more like 8,500 students and not 7,500.

Take care!

Thanks but take that up with Wikipedia.....

Be safe!

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Originally posted by Bro. Askia Musa Afiba:

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Will miss beating up on A&T but every OTHER year ... But then again - They'll also have a much better chance at regaining a Divisional Championship up there in the North!!!

For the Record, Isn't NCCU further North than NCA&T?

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Second a 12-member alignment has several options:

MEAC Football

Northern Division:
1) Delaware State University
2) Hampton University
3) Howard University
4) Morgan State University
5) Norfolk State University
6) North Carolina A & T State University

Southern Division:
7) Bethune-Cookman University
8) Florida A & M University
9) *North Carolina Central University
10) *Savannah State University
11) South Carolina State University
12) Winston-Salem State University

Jafus (Thinker)

Is there any reason why you placed NCA&T in the proposed Northern MEAC Football Division and Not NCCU? I am just asking, I am not trying to start any type of debate or anything.

Take care!

I thing this is the most difficult thing to decide, but I see two non issues but very important factors with this format......

1. The southern division is very strong in football and weak in basketball. While the northern will be basketball. What's funny is that during basketball season A&T will probably go to the southern division and UMES and CSU will balance out the north. In my opinion, that's not good to flip divisions...consistency is key.

2. I think it's great that A&T is in the north.....
A.) A&T has the resources to handle the travel
B.) It gives A&T the opportunity to play it's rivals for MEAC titles and raising the interest in the conference.....possibly
C.) It's the old MEAC vs. new MEAC....just look at the division from membership longevity (excluding Norfolk). The votes to control the conference will probably run along those lines anyway.

On a side note......Atlanta may be key to pushing the MEAC over the top. If the MEAC get a CIAA response to it's basketball or football championship based in Atlanta. The conference will grow in every aspect.

i would put nccu in the north also... its farther north on I95. PLUS, you might not want 2 expansion members in the south... isht WSSU is brand new too, that would be ALOT to swallow for the MEAC South division!

hey i kinda like the sound of this...MEAC North would be a monster! DSU, Hampton, a resurging MSU, a howard team that is known for defense... a kick-butt upstart at NCCU, and lil ol' nsu just trying to comPETE...

in basketball how'd Jafus place the divisions again... (((looks at other page of thread)))... yeah!!!

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For the Record, Isn't NCCU further North than NCA&T?

I wasn't sure of that when I posted earlier ... but if it is, then let's make the switch ...

OR ...

THEN - Replace SSU with VA State - and move them into the open North slot - and bring NCCU & A&T South.

Having a GA presence with SSU would be nice ... But if not, then so be it ...

That is ... "Unless you all wanna go call Larry Rivers - and grab FVSU too!".

nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

i see why the conference offices haven't decided... i'm getting a headache. pass me the crown royal...

"It's possibly all the Crown Royal flowin' around up there is why there haven't been any pertinent decisions made yet!"

Will I be in Daytona? What kinda foolishness is this you're asking? You're the only buster who never makes it. The rest of us know where to be and when to be there. Ha!

I'll take a Miller, thanks.

AggieJazz,

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Big Ups Jafus


Jafus, what are a couple of major problems in getting HBCUs to look into building sporting events to get bigger dollars to their schools?

My guess is that the leaders of the HBCUs are educators and not sport business people. Plus, they may be discouraged by their dealings with the black public which can be very trying on one's "can do" attitude, so they just stick to the difficult task of educating their students population.
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I would suggest that Athletics in Education is similar to Marketing in Business. Most organizations that do not truly understand athletics/marketing view it as just a cost line item rather than an investment in the overall economic structure of the organization's financial portfolio.

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Bro. Askia Musa Afiba,

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Jafus (Thinker)

For the Record, Isn't NCCU further North than NCA&T?

Is there any reason why you placed NCA&T in the proposed Northern MEAC Football Division and Not NCCU? I am just asking, I am not trying to start any type of debate or anything.

Take care!

It can be switched. It would really be based on which particular scheduling format the MEAC would seek. Basically under the listed format and utilizing: Option 2a:, it would allow for North Carolina A & T State to maintain a yearly rivalry game with North Carolina Central and Winston-Salem State as inter-divisional match-ups. There are some other alignments that could be used, but I just provided a glimpse on what is possible in an expanded conference format.

See Below-
Option 2a:
SEC original alignment scheduling format does place a major considera