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Originally posted by oleschoolaggie:
no matter what, the meac has done a pyss poor job disseminating the status of and expectations for league expansion. for all we know, the meac could actually have their act together but we would never know because we the members are kept in the dark. not only is it disrespectful to the eagles, but its also disrespectful to the membership. the commish and the meac office knows a lot of folks want to know what's going on and why its taking so long. newspaper reporters, alumni, fans, and espn analysts (on national tv) have publicly questioned the commish regarding nccu's admission and all the commish would say is we have a moratorium on expansion and we're not prepared to comment on nccu's application. using this site as a sampling of the overall meac membership, the mass majority overwhelmingly support "re-admitting" nccu to the conference it helped to create 30 plus years ago in durham, north carolina. its mind boggling if the commish can't see that by re-admitting nccu to the meac, the meac will have in its geographical center north carolina's 3 largest hbcu's and virginia's 2 largest hbcu's. the meac has "never" in its history had that level of stability in its center!

bottom line, the least the meac could do is communicate with the membership and let us know what's going on. if they're not gonna inform us, then they become what they are perceived to be. and right now they're perceived to be incompetent, deficient, out of touch, insensitive, and most of all a bunch of "arrogant" administrators…

Thank You HBCU Family, for all of the Love and Support that You all have shown for NCCU, regarding this MEAC Re-Membership Matter.

Your warm words of support and encouragement are very much appreciated.

May God Bless All of You and your Programs.

Take Care!

Has anybody every considered the fact that the MEAC Commissioner Dr. Thomas may support the expansion of the conference with admitting NCCU (and or SSU), but all of his board of executive presidents a 3/4 (75%) may not agree admittance based on various different revenue sharing policies nor various different scheduling format that have been presenting?

Then similarly to the ACC expansion process that initial was planned for Miami, Boston College and Syracuse because of political positioning and presidents/chancellors that did not support expansion (Duke and North Carolina), it becomes less about the commissioners suggestions or consultants strategic studies and finally game to close with Miami, Virginia Tech and an entire year later Boston College.

Remember ACC expansion was very fluid and dynamic situation and this was a conference that had all benefits of reseachers, consultants, revenue, history and etc.

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Originally posted by Jafus (Thinker):
Has anybody every considered the fact that the MEAC Commissioner Dr. Thomas may support the expansion of the conference with admitting NCCU (and or SSU), but all of his board of executive presidents a 3/4 (75%) may not agree admittance based on various different revenue sharing policies nor various different scheduling format that have been presenting?

Then similarly to the ACC expansion process that initial was planned for Miami, Boston College and Syracuse because of political positioning and presidents/chancellors that did not support expansion (Duke and North Carolina), it becomes less about the commissioners suggestions or consultants strategic studies and finally game to close with Miami, Virginia Tech and an entire year later Boston College.

Remember ACC expansion was very fluid and dynamic situation and this was a conference that had all benefits of reseachers, consultants, revenue, history and etc.

if that's the case, i don't have a problem with that. the problem i have is that nothing is being communicated to the membership. we have no idea what the hail they're thinking in virginia beach. that's the primary problem…

oleschoolaggie,

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if that's the case, i don't have a problem with that. the problem i have is that nothing is being communicated to the membership. we have no idea what the hail they're thinking in virginia beach. that's the primary problem…

I agree communication is key.

It should be interesting to follow.

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Originally posted by Jafus (Thinker):
Has anybody every considered the fact that the MEAC Commissioner Dr. Thomas may support the expansion of the conference with admitting NCCU (and or SSU), but all of his board of executive presidents a 3/4 (75%) may not agree admittance based on various different revenue sharing policies nor various different scheduling format that have been presenting?

Then similarly to the ACC expansion process that initial was planned for Miami, Boston College and Syracuse because of political positioning and presidents/chancellors that did not support expansion (Duke and North Carolina), it becomes less about the commissioners suggestions or consultants strategic studies and finally game to close with Miami, Virginia Tech and an entire year later Boston College.

Remember ACC expansion was very fluid and dynamic situation and this was a conference that had all benefits of reseachers, consultants, revenue, history and etc.

Bingo!

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Originally posted by Jafus (Thinker):

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Originally posted by Jafus (Thinker):
Has anybody every considered the fact that the MEAC Commissioner Dr. Thomas may support the expansion of the conference with admitting NCCU (and or SSU), but all of his board of executive presidents a 3/4 (75%) may not agree admittance based on various different revenue sharing policies nor various different scheduling format that have been presented?

Then similarly to the ACC expansion process that initially was planned for Miami, Boston College and Syracuse because of political positioning and presidents/chancellors that did not support expansion (Duke and North Carolina), it becomes less about the commissioners suggestions or consultants strategic studies and finally becomes a political and financial decision to expand with Miami, Virginia Tech and an entire year later Boston College.

Remember ACC expansion was very fluid and dynamic situation and this was a conference that had all benefits of reseachers, consultants, revenue, history and etc.

I have always considered that the commish supports the expansion. However, I believe that he and the Presidents/Chancellors are just not using all of their "intellect" and "wise" to design an appropriate revenue sharing plan. They have had more than two years to figure this out....

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different revenue sharing policies nor various different scheduling format that have been presenting?

Jafus (Thinker)

Such as what, that all of the Presidents have not known about, or given thought about for the past two years?

Since the presidents voted to NOT have a championship Football Game, which problems do you see, holding up things the most?

Take Care!

also, when the acc expanded, they communicated with their membership and also the media. we weren't privy to what was discussed in the meetings, but the acc commish (john swofford) kept the public informed of what transpired after meetings concluded, what the next steps were, and he gave us an idea of what the timetables were. and the acc had far more reasons to keep its expansion plans quiet because they were stealing schools from the big east. nccu is an independent, yet we get no news. we got constant updates from swofford because he was smart enough to realize the public wanted to know. i know this because i followed the entire acc expansion process. we don't get anything like that from our leadership. maybe they're too embarrassed to let the public know what their hang ups are…

Oleschoolaggie,

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also, when the acc expanded, they communicated with their membership and also the media. we weren't privy to what was discussed in the meetings, but the acc commish (john swofford) kept the public informed of what transpired after meetings concluded, what the next steps were, and he gave us an idea of what the timetables were. and the acc had far more reasons to keep its expansion plans quiet because they were stealing schools from the big east. nccu is an independent, yet we get no news. we got constant updates from swofford because he was smart enough to realize the public wanted to know. i know this because i followed the entire acc expansion process. we don't get anything like that from our leadership. maybe they're too embarrassed to let the public know what their hang ups are…

I agree the ACC communicated with the membership. I believe the MEAC has communicated with its membership, as well. Unfortunately, as much as we do not want to admit it, most of us are not in MEAC administrative position so we are not considered apart of the membership. While, another portion probably have very strong and influencial connections, they are only getting information from one voice on the entire MEAC council of presidents or MEAC body of athletic directors.

I respectfully disagree that the ACC communicated the internal thoughts with the media. I do understand your premise (because I followed it, as well as, did most sports fan, unfortunately unlike the MEAC expansion) that the media force the issue because the overall general sports external public followed and demanded in different ways that the story be told and because they wondered how it would effect them. Unfortunately, it is only a silent minority, compared to the masses that are even moderately concerned about this issue.

Furthermore, the ACC Officials, especially Commissioner Swofford, did everything in their power to keep the issues internal and responded to requests with very measured, calculated and vague responses on the issue.

But like any huge business model with 9 member institutions and several (3, 4, and 5) potential member institutions that had different officials speak or leak different stories for reasons that would benefits their stance and or positions on the issue of conference expansion.

Bro. Askia Musa Afiba,

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Jafus (Thinker)

Such as what, that all of the Presidents have not known about, or given thought about for the past two years?

Since the presidents voted to NOT have a championship Football Game, which problems do you see, holding up things the most?

Take Care!

First, I would suggest that all of the MEAC presidents/chancellors do not agree with expanding conference.

Second, I believe they have thought about conference expansion. I just simply believe that all of the MEAC presidents/chancellors have not agreed upon a solution regarding the economic pricing equation for dispersing the NCAA basketball revenue, television contractual revenue, merchandizing revenue & etc to member institutions.

Third, I believe they have thought about scheduling. But, I believe that all of the MEAC presidents/chancellors have not agreed upon a solution regarding the scheduling model that they want to use for the conference.

Think about it, just about ever two or three us believe we have the perfect revenue sharing and scheduling policy for MEAC member institutions. But we all do not agree upon one. Furthermore, think about the fact that we do not even agree on MEAC expansion so suggest that the MEAC take NCCU and SSU now.

While other suggest that the MEAC should take NCCU now and wait on VSU. I believe the MEAC presidents/chancellors simply have the discussion based on strategic studies and alignments that they believe best fit the conference and their schools financial interest.

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Originally posted by Jafus (Thinker):
Bro. Askia Musa Afiba,

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Jafus (Thinker)

Such as what, that all of the Presidents have not known about, or given thought about for the past two years?

Since the presidents voted to NOT have a championship Football Game, which problems do you see, holding up things the most?

Take Care!

First, I would suggest that all of the MEAC presidents/chancellors do not agree with expanding conference.

Second, I believe they have thought about conference expansion. I just simply believe that all of the MEAC presidents/chancellors have not agreed upon a solution regarding the economic pricing equation for dispersing the NCAA basketball revenue, television contractual revenue, merchandizing revenue & etc to member institutions.

Third, I believe they have thought about scheduling. But, I believe that all of the MEAC presidents/chancellors have not agreed upon a solution regarding the scheduling model that they want to use for the conference.

Think about it, just about ever two or three us believe we have the perfect revenue sharing and scheduling policy for MEAC member institutions. But we all do not agree upon one. Furthermore, think about the fact that we do not even agree on MEAC expansion so suggest that the MEAC take NCCU and SSU now.

While other suggest that the MEAC should take NCCU now and wait on VSU. I believe the MEAC presidents/chancellors simply have the discussion based on strategic studies and alignments that they believe best fit the conference and their schools financial interest.

This type of information is a good example of what needs to be communicated to NCCU and MEAC fans. I agree that us mere mortals should not be privy to all of the details, but some information on the concerns and objectives of the expansion should be communicated.

Bro AMA

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revenue sharing policies

Create a list of those you know and I'll let you know when you're getting "warm". Think of any sport/event that NCCU may have in which the revenue could be happily shared with the rest of us.

Interesting conversation that we have every 6 months. We ought to just copy and paste from the old threads and save some brain cells.

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Originally posted by Decks:

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Originally posted by Pitbull:
What's the deal? Has anyone heard anything about this meeting...? Why do they do things in such a James Bond 007 way.....

Last year I sent MEAC PR Director, Michelle Jenks an email asking if there would be any type of media release and she basically said the meetings are closed to the public and there would be no press releases issued. I think a columnist in the local paper even blasted them for such secrecy.

The MEAC got a new PR director back in late 2006. Porter, I believe?

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Originally posted by outsider:

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Originally posted by Decks:

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Originally posted by Pitbull:
What's the deal? Has anyone heard anything about this meeting...? Why do they do things in such a James Bond 007 way.....

Last year I sent MEAC PR Director, Michelle Jenks an email asking if there would be any type of media release and she basically said the meetings are closed to the public and there would be no press releases issued. I think a columnist in the local paper even blasted them for such secrecy.

The MEAC got a new PR director back in late 2006. Porter, I believe?

Thanks for the correction. I actually meant Patricia Porter. I posted one of her responses to me in the following thread.

http://community.meacfans.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/550105...681089783#9681089783

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Originally posted by Jafus (Thinker):
Bro. Askia Musa Afiba,

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Jafus (Thinker)

Such as what, that all of the Presidents have not known about, or given thought about for the past two years?

Since the presidents voted to NOT have a championship Football Game, which problems do you see, holding up things the most?

Take Care!

First, I would suggest that all of the MEAC presidents/chancellors do not agree with expanding conference.

Second, I believe they have thought about conference expansion. I just simply believe that all of the MEAC presidents/chancellors have not agreed upon a solution regarding the economic pricing equation for dispersing the NCAA basketball revenue, television contractual revenue, merchandizing revenue & etc to member institutions.

Third, I believe they have thought about scheduling. But, I believe that all of the MEAC presidents/chancellors have not agreed upon a solution regarding the scheduling model that they want to use for the conference.

Think about it, just about ever two or three us believe we have the perfect revenue sharing and scheduling policy for MEAC member institutions. But we all do not agree upon one. Furthermore, think about the fact that we do not even agree on MEAC expansion so suggest that the MEAC take NCCU and SSU now.

While other suggest that the MEAC should take NCCU now and wait on VSU. I believe the MEAC presidents/chancellors simply have the discussion based on strategic studies and alignments that they believe best fit the conference and their schools financial interest.

i don't know the financial numbers, thus i know i'm making an ignorant/uninformed statement. but come on, now. based on the channel our games come on (espnu) and how far we advance in the basketball ncaa's (play-in game), how much money could we possibly be squabbling over? peanuts? and regarding merchandizing revenue. what merchandizing revenue? the meac generates merchandizing revenue?

as far as scheduling is concerned, i don't see the problem. in football, we may not play one or two meac schools every single year but that's what happens with divisional play. but the schedule could be worked out so that rivals always play each other every year. and the same in basketball. the sec, acc, big east, big ten, pac 10, and big 12 don't seem to have a problem with that.

as far as traveling, none of the meac schools will be significantly impacted if we play the same number of conference games. durham is closer to florida than all of the meac schools north of the carolinas. and its within a 6 hour drive of "every" meac school north of durham.

look, this crap has been dragging on for two years. must we be inept at everything? it shouldn't take two years to make a decision and certainly not that long to generate a single press release.

i disagree that only a hand full of folks are interested in the direction of meac expansion. if nobody cared, this topic would not come up every month on this site, newspaper reporters would not seek news no one cares about, and without question, espn analysts wouldn't ask the question out of the clear blue sky on national tv if no one cared about it. and the analyst didn't ask if the meac would expand, he asked if nccu would be admitted. maybe the non-sports population don't care, but the meac is an athletic conference. folks who identify with the meac care and want to know…

Other revenue sources include BCS dollars and contributed scholarship monies from MEAC Tourney Host Cities. Also the NCAA is now adding a payout for the play-in game.

again, i don't know the financial numbers but how much trickle down dollars do you think an hbcu "fcs" conference will get from the bcs? they hardly even share anything with the rest of the fbs. so we can't be getting significant dollars from them. the bcs is much stingier than the ncaa.

and nccu was partially responsible for increased attendance at the meac tourney which drives host cities to ante up scholarship dollars. so who gets nccu's cut of scholarship money? and a better question is will host cities reduce scholarship dollars should attendance drop because nccu no longer participates?