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Originally posted by TightEye:

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Originally posted by robber:
The promoter you talk about is someone hired by the schools to run the events surrounding the game. So, stop the "neutral site" talk. It ain't the same.

Meacfans: How many of your institutions hire a promoter for a home football game?

Robber please enumerate the reasons why it's different.....other than they play at a neutral site of Memorial Stadium......not JSU's home stadium which does not exsist.

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Originally posted by MACHIAVELLI:

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Originally posted by robber:
That Memorial Stadium is JSU's home stadium is codified. It's Mississippi State law. The words "HOME OF THE JSU TIGERS" is affixed on that stadium for all the world to see.

We know who owns that stadium

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Originally posted by JayRob:
Dude, JSU has been playing at Memorial for 40...yes, 40 years!! How could any person in his right mind think that that's not our home stadium.

I actually didn't think it could get any worse, but I must admit I was wrong, the fact being that the more you type, the more ignorant you sound.

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Originally posted by robber:

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Originally posted by JayRob:
Dude, JSU has been playing at Memorial for 40...yes, 40 years!! How could any person in his right mind think that that's not our home stadium.

I actually didn't think it could get any worse, but I must admit I was wrong, the fact being that the more you type, the more ignorant you sound.

JayRob, Tighteye is far from ignorant. He knows exactly what he's doing. Read his posts regarding JSU. He simply doesn't like us. Look how he titled this thread. Dude goes out of his way to try to down the Mighty JSU.

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Originally posted by JayRob:

Dude, JSU has been playing at Memorial for 40...yes, 40 years!! How could any person in his right mind think that that's not our home stadium.

I actually didn't think it could get any worse, but I must admit I was wrong, the fact being that the more you type, the more ignorant you sound.

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Originally posted by J B:
Come on TightEye you know what you just did right? You just gave TigerPride and JayRob an excuse to eat up valuable bandwidth on this site.

They will first start by defending JSU. Then they're gonna tell us how great JSU is and how the MEAC can't compete against JSU. Finally they will do what they do best (especially TigerPride); devert the attention from the issue/topic and start bashing posters who comment and their respective universities.

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Originally posted by TightEye:
Robber,

I feel sort of remise about getting you drawn into this nonsense.......I have no dislike for JSU, just some of the spilling of nonsense defending JSU on his board……….Please refer to JB’s prediction:

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Originally posted by J B:
Come on TightEye you know what you just did right? You just gave TigerPride and JayRob an excuse to eat up valuable bandwidth on this site.

They will first start by defending JSU. Then they're gonna tell us how great JSU is and how the MEAC can't compete against JSU. Finally they will do what they do best (especially TigerPride); devert the attention from the issue/topic and start bashing posters who comment and their respective universities.

Now let’s look at his from a factual stance including my beloved TnSU…….

1. In 1999, the Tennessee Titans wanted a new stadium in Nashville. TSU wanted to update and remodel our beloved HOLE….. The state of Tennessee made a deal where as the Titan could have the field if TSU was allowed to have it as their home field along with the NFL’s Titans…..with this deal solidified; Hale Stadium was left in a state of disrepair…….for several years now the alumni have wanted to go back on campus to the HOLE, but alas LP Field has to do. The atmosphere is horrible and it’ like playing football in the grand canyon in summer. It’s dry, no ones there but tourists, and it’ a long walk to the restroom.

2. As for JSU’s situation, here’s what encyclopedias say about “JSU’s stadium”….. A state-owned facility, Veterans Memorial Stadium is the home field of the Jackson State University Tigers; it also plays host to the Mississippi High School Activities Association state championship football games every fall and other special events, including several NFL exhibition games.

Historically, Veterans Memorial Stadium was the site of many important college football games in Mississippi history, as Ole Miss, Mississippi State University and University of Southern Mississippi regularly played in the stadium (while maintaining home fields in Oxford, Starkville and Hattiesburg respectively), most famously in the annual Egg Bowl contests between Ole Miss and Mississippi State until the early 1990s. The University of Southern Mississippi made regular appearances as well, playing both UM and MSU as well as games against such schools as Texas A&M. The stadium continues to host the annual Capital City Classic between Jackson State and Alcorn State University, both of the Southwestern Athletic Conference.

The stadium has also been home to numerous concerts, most notable being New Kids on the Block at the height of their fame.

Owner: State of Mississippi Operator: State of Mississippi
Anything you do not own can’t be yours….except your family.

JSU home field exists in name only and not factual in ownership. JSU has simply been added as the beneficiary because the state still picks up the tab and is used for secondary events. Where I’m from…..football fields are shrines of success and no one is allowed to tarnish that perception of success or mystique. Admit it…JSU plays in a public stadium

Jay Rob,

If the facts are ignorance, I’m one of the most ignorant people you’ll meet……and I’m sure your one of the most knowledgably ones I’d ever have the pleasure to affront.

P.S. I’d give six figures over 20 years to get back in the HOLE…one day I'm sure you’ll give the same amount to have your own stadium on campus! TRUTH HURTS!!!!!

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Originally posted by robber:

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Originally posted by TightEye:
Robber,

I feel sort of remise about getting you drawn into this nonsense.......I have no dislike for JSU, just some of the spilling of nonsense defending JSU on his board……….Please refer to JB’s prediction:

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Originally posted by J B:
Come on TightEye you know what you just did right? You just gave TigerPride and JayRob an excuse to eat up valuable bandwidth on this site.

They will first start by defending JSU. Then they're gonna tell us how great JSU is and how the MEAC can't compete against JSU. Finally they will do what they do best (especially TigerPride); devert the attention from the issue/topic and start bashing posters who comment and their respective universities.

Now let’s look at his from a factual stance including my beloved TnSU…….

1. In 1999, the Tennessee Titans wanted a new stadium in Nashville. TSU wanted to update and remodel our beloved HOLE….. The state of Tennessee made a deal where as the Titan could have the field if TSU was allowed to have it as their home field along with the NFL’s Titans…..with this deal solidified; Hale Stadium was left in a state of disrepair…….for several years now the alumni have wanted to go back on campus to the HOLE, but alas LP Field has to do. The atmosphere is horrible and it’ like playing football in the grand canyon in summer. It’s dry, no ones there but tourists, and it’ a long walk to the restroom.

2. As for JSU’s situation, here’s what encyclopedias say about “JSU’s stadium”….. A state-owned facility, Veterans Memorial Stadium is the home field of the Jackson State University Tigers; it also plays host to the Mississippi High School Activities Association state championship football games every fall and other special events, including several NFL exhibition games.

Historically, Veterans Memorial Stadium was the site of many important college football games in Mississippi history, as Ole Miss, Mississippi State University and University of Southern Mississippi regularly played in the stadium (while maintaining home fields in Oxford, Starkville and Hattiesburg respectively), most famously in the annual Egg Bowl contests between Ole Miss and Mississippi State until the early 1990s. The University of Southern Mississippi made regular appearances as well, playing both UM and MSU as well as games against such schools as Texas A&M. The stadium continues to host the annual Capital City Classic between Jackson State and Alcorn State University, both of the Southwestern Athletic Conference.

The stadium has also been home to numerous concerts, most notable being New Kids on the Block at the height of their fame.

Owner: State of Mississippi Operator: State of Mississippi
Anything you do not own can’t be yours….except your family.

JSU home field exists in name only and not factual in ownership. JSU has simply been added as the beneficiary because the state still picks up the tab and is used for secondary events. Where I’m from…..football fields are shrines of success and no one is allowed to tarnish that perception of success or mystique. Admit it…JSU plays in a public stadium

Jay Rob,

If the facts are ignorance, I’m one of the most ignorant people you’ll meet……and I’m sure your one of the most knowledgably ones I’d ever have the pleasure to affront.

P.S. I’d give six figures over 20 years to get back in the HOLE…one day I'm sure you’ll give the same amount to have your own stadium on campus! TRUTH HURTS!!!!!

Never said JSU owned Memorial. I know better. I'd be skeptical of getting the stadium, except we got Ole Miss's medical school wanting the land upon which Memorial sits. They gone get it. And we gone get ours.

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Originally posted by TSU Tiger Fan:
The comments about the way the attendance at the Capital City Classic need to be clarified a bit more.

The term CLASSIC does not mean neutral site game. Neutral site simply means it is a game played at a site that is neutral to both schools or the designated HOME team. The JMC is not a neutral site game for TSU because TSU is always the designated home team for the JMC and LP Field is TSU's designated home stadium. The Capital City Classic is not neutral to JSU when JSU is the designated home team, because Memorial is JSU's designated home stadium. However, it is a neutral site game when Alcorn is the designated home team because Memorial is not their home stadium.

If you look at the NCAA's schedules for JSU and Alcorn for 2006 and 2007 you will clearly see that it is considered a HOME game for JSU when they are the designated home team. You will see that it is considered a neutral site game when Alcorn is the designated Home team.

In 2006 Alcorn was the designated home team for the Capital City Classic. The NCAA listed Jackson, MS as the site of the game (note that it is not referenced as a HOME game). For JSU the NCAA list the 2006 game as an AWAY game.

In 2007 JSU was the designated home team for the Capital City Classic. The NCAA listed it as a HOME game for JSU and an AWAY game for Alcorn. That tells me that the NCAA is not counting the attendance for the Capital City Classic in Alcorn's home attendance figures when they are the designated home team because for Alcorn it is a neutral site. This is evident in that Alcors's schedule in 2006 shows 3 home games. The NCAA attendance record also shows 3 home games for Alcorn. The game against JSU is not one of those three games. Now the NCAA has an error on the 2006 attendance record where they list the attendance of the neutral site games. They show the game as being a JSU game. It should be Alcorn since Alcorn was the designated home team in 2006. Alcorn should have that corrected. The years in which JSU was the designated home team (i.e. 2007) the game is not listed among neutral site games.

It doesn't matter that the game is always played at Memorial. The same applies to Florida & Georgia and Albama & Auburn, those schools elect to play those respective games at neutral sites. Those games are not counted in their home attendance averages. The UF/UG games is played in Jacksonville, FL every year. The Alabama/Auburn game is traditionally (but not always) played in Birmingham at Legion Field. I think in recent years they've elected to play in their home stadiums more.

Also, the NCAA does include playoff games in the number of home games played. For example if you look at App. States schedules in 2006 & 2007, they show App State with 9 home games for both seasons. Two of those games in each year were played in December which tells us that they were playoff games. The attendance records also show that they played 9 home games in both seasons.

Resource: NCAA Football Schedules

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Originally posted by robber:

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Originally posted by TSU Tiger Fan:
The comments about the way the attendance at the Capital City Classic need to be clarified a bit more.

The term CLASSIC does not mean neutral site game. Neutral site simply means it is a game played at a site that is neutral to both schools or the designated HOME team. The JMC is not a neutral site game for TSU because TSU is always the designated home team for the JMC and LP Field is TSU's designated home stadium. The Capital City Classic is not neutral to JSU when JSU is the designated home team, because Memorial is JSU's designated home stadium. However, it is a neutral site game when Alcorn is the designated home team because Memorial is not their home stadium.

If you look at the NCAA's schedules for JSU and Alcorn for 2006 and 2007 you will clearly see that it is considered a HOME game for JSU when they are the designated home team. You will see that it is considered a neutral site game when Alcorn is the designated Home team.

In 2006 Alcorn was the designated home team for the Capital City Classic. The NCAA listed Jackson, MS as the site of the game (note that it is not referenced as a HOME game). For JSU the NCAA list the 2006 game as an AWAY game.

In 2007 JSU was the designated home team for the Capital City Classic. The NCAA listed it as a HOME game for JSU and an AWAY game for Alcorn. That tells me that the NCAA is not counting the attendance for the Capital City Classic in Alcorn's home attendance figures when they are the designated home team because for Alcorn it is a neutral site. This is evident in that Alcors's schedule in 2006 shows 3 home games. The NCAA attendance record also shows 3 home games for Alcorn. The game against JSU is not one of those three games. Now the NCAA has an error on the 2006 attendance record where they list the attendance of the neutral site games. They show the game as being a JSU game. It should be Alcorn since Alcorn was the designated home team in 2006. Alcorn should have that corrected. The years in which JSU was the designated home team (i.e. 2007) the game is not listed among neutral site games.

It doesn't matter that the game is always played at Memorial. The same applies to Florida & Georgia and Albama & Auburn, those schools elect to play those respective games at neutral sites. Those games are not counted in their home attendance averages. The UF/UG games is played in Jacksonville, FL every year. The Alabama/Auburn game is traditionally (but not always) played in Birmingham at Legion Field. I think in recent years they've elected to play in their home stadiums more.

Also, the NCAA does include playoff games in the number of home games played. For example if you look at App. States schedules in 2006 & 2007, they show App State with 9 home games for both seasons. Two of those games in each year were played in December which tells us that they were playoff games. The attendance records also show that they played 9 home games in both seasons.

Resource: NCAA Football Schedules

I will disagree with you inasmuch as you say the JSU-Alcorn game is a neutral site game. It is not. In all the games you cited, those games are played at a stadium that is home field to neither team. UF/UGA play in Jacksonville (not Gainesville or Athens). Alabama-Auburn is now home and home, but was a neutral site game when played in Birmingham (not Tuscaloosa or Auburn). FAMU-BCU play in Orlando (not Tallahassee or Daytona Beach). Neutral site means it's neutral to both teams. Alcorn plays on JSU's home field. Ain't nothing neutral about that, even if Alcorn is the designated home team. Makes no sense for the game to be neutral site one year, but not the next year. The NCAA stopped counting games away from your home stadium. That's what happening in this came. Alcorn's home stadium is in Lorman, MS. NCAA doesn't count those attendances.

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Originally posted by JayRob:

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Originally posted by SUJaguar79:
Just laughing to myself and wondering why their attendance drops one year and then booms the next..... I bet they will be fine this fall though.

Dude, if you're insinuating that SU drove our attendance up, just keep in mind that the photos clearly show that JSU had three times as many folks at the game than SU, so what's your point?

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Originally posted by TSU Tiger Fan:
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Robber, I don't make the rules. Don't disagree with me... disagree with the NCAA. The NCAA only counts your home game attendance. That is their rule. As such, Alcorn will only get direct recognition for games held at there home stadium in Lorman. Under their current rules, the NCAA will not recognize Memorial as a HOME game for Alcorn. It doesn't matter that Memorial is the home stadium to one of the two teams involved in the annual contest. All that says is that Alcorn has agreed to play their annual match-up with JSU in Jackson, MS as opposed to a true traditional home-and-home series. With that agreement they forego the home attendance count for that game. It's a business decision that is obviously more important to Alcorn than having a higher home attendance count. And, it sounds like a good business decision.

Now understand that their are people on this site who would love for our neutral site games to count in our home attendance. There was a suggestion to the NCAA a while back that neutral site attendance be split between the two teams. I'm not sure if they ever considered it or if it was rejected. All I know is for now neutral site attendance is not counted in any schools home attendance unless that neutral site is their designated home stadium.

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