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All-Conference |
Neutral site games are like carnival or state fair atmospheres which draws crowds not necessarily there for football. Football is just a side bar. One simple question, can your home stadium accomdate 40 or 50K. It's like going to Disney World and counting the fans that showed for the game. There's too much attached to make it a football draw only. (Like at your home stadium) Please don't use your homecoming attendance as an example. Homecoming is exactly the same as a classic for alumni and the community. Neutral site works because neither team is at home. Therefore, who should get to be home field attendance count? Here's a list of consistent HBCU games that are attended annually by the numbers (2007 figures): MAGIC CITY CLASSIC: Alabama St. v. Alabama A&M 27-OCT-07 68593 FLORIDA CLASSIC: Bethune-Cookman v. Florida A&M 17-NOV-07 65367 ATLANTA FOOTBALL CLASSIC: Florida A&M v. Tennessee St. 29-SEP-07 56990  U NO!!STATE FAIR CLASSIC: Prairie View v. Grambling 29-SEP-07 55878 BAYOU CLASSIC Grambling State v. Southern U. 24-NOV-07 53297 SOUTHERN HERTIAGE CLASSIC: Jackson St. v. Tennessee St. 08-SEP-07 50879 "Homecoming West"  BATTLE OF THE BAY: Norfolk St. v. Hampton 13-OCT-07 27756 LABOR DAY CLASSIC: Norfolk St. v. Virginia St. 01-SEP-07 26970 Classics that have various teams annually rarely prosper as well as the big four + one: ATLANTA FOOTBALL CLASSIC, BAYOU CLASSIC, FLORIDA CLASSIC, SOUTHERN HERTIAGE CLASSIC and plus 1 MAGIC CITY CLASSIC _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _   http://www.tnstate.edu/ "Success is to be measured not so much by the position that one has reached in life as by the obstacles which he has overcome while trying to succeed." -B.T. Washington |
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JSU-Alcorn, though called a classic, ain't a neutral site game. That game is played in Memorial, home of the JSU Tigers every year. So, that game doesn't get the "everybody travel to (insert city) and enjoy all it has to offer, and oh, by the way, there's a game, too." It may be treated as such, but it really ain't. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _  |
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Oh yeah the Capital City Classic.....Please note I did not include faux or pseudo classics. That term needs to be removed and the NCAA most likely include those numbers and probably will accept them now that ALcorn wants to move to a home and home series. The name classic makes it a netural site game as implied by the title. That also means that outside event promoters are involved no matter how successful he or she is........ Bottomline the word Classic = all the junk that comes with those events no matter location. One more test does the same auxillary events occur at a regular home game? If not (outside homecoming)it's a classic and should be treated as such due to outside influences and influx of manipulative money. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ http://www.tnstate.edu/ "Success is to be measured not so much by the position that one has reached in life as by the obstacles which he has overcome while trying to succeed." -B.T. Washington |
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Hey robber ,
Just a question as I wonder , ponder and wander. Why is that the attendance higher @ the SU game when compared to JSU vs The "CORN" ?? Site:Jackson Again only a question.  _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ DREAMER |
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I didnt know they included those...I'd figure the NCAA would only use regular season attendance data... robber...I think you're right...the CCC attendance is included in both teams' home averages... _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _  FLORIDA A&M FOOTBALL 2008: RATTLERS CONTROL THE D.A.S.H.!!!!! Discipline-Attitude-Sacrifice-Heart!!!!! |
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How can that be correct? Have you ever heard of two home teams or joint home attendance? This rule is in place for a reason. This give an accurate picture of what your institutions average attendance really is...... Even we (TSU) lose out on attendance. Look at the Atlanta Football Classic and the Southern Heritage Classic......107,893 combined... If you add this to our numbers look at the difference: Current NCAA attendance:16,278 Under your suggested attendance policies: 20,691 Difference: 4,413 No way we averaged 20,000 a game...... "ROCKETPWR" As for playoffs they are home games, but to quell your fancy here's Appalachian State's attendance data with and without the playoffs........ with playoffs: 24219 (9 games) without playoffs: 27140 (6 games) Difference: -2,921 Another theory bites the dust...ASU did worse because it gets "REAL" cold on Grandfather Mountain in November and December so attendance dropped. This message has been edited. Last edited by: TightEye, _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ http://www.tnstate.edu/ "Success is to be measured not so much by the position that one has reached in life as by the obstacles which he has overcome while trying to succeed." -B.T. Washington |
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This is a recent trend (since '99). Simply put, more Jags fans come to Jackson, now, than Alcorn fans. Even during the Bell years, JSU fans matched or bettered Alcorn. Last year, Alcorn participation was disappointing. Fans are simply fickle. Many Alcorn fans were boycotting Coach Thomas. I won't lie. When the Jags come, they come in droves. It's very impressive to see that many "visitors". But its a short drive, and plenty of space. Honestly, the rivalry between JSU-SU is more intense than JSU-Alcorn. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |
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It wouldn't be joint home attendance. Until very recently, each school included the game in its respective season ticket packages, when they were the home team. When JSU was home team, seating policy was under JSU's policy. Reserved between the 30's, general admission everywhere else. Ticket cost according to location. When Alcorn was the home team, one ticket price and the entire stadium was general admission, because that's how Alcorn did it. JSU ran ticket office when JSU was home. Alcorn did the same on their home years. So, again, it wasn't like them other classics. Until maybe 4-5 years ago (if that long), it was basically Alcorn moving it's game from Lorman, MS, to Jackson, MS. They ran the stadium that day. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |
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Athletic Director |
Tiger Robber,
Thanks for your comments.   _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ DREAMER |
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TightEye...I apologize for the confusion...I wasnt implying that the CCC practiced a joint home team designation...I was trying to say that when JSU is the home team in Jackson...then the CCC attendance is included in their home attendance...and conversely when Alcorn is the home team in Jackson....the attendance is included in their average... _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FLORIDA A&M FOOTBALL 2008: RATTLERS CONTROL THE D.A.S.H.!!!!! Discipline-Attitude-Sacrifice-Heart!!!!! |
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There is not much difference but you have to realize that JSU carries the Alcorn game. SU is 3 times bigger than Alcorn. In 1997 SU = 60,319 Alcorn = 54,800 1999 SU = 55,000 Alcorn = 52,500 2001 SU = 32,746 Alcorn = 49,873 2003 SU = 46,794 Alcorn = 45,000 2006 SU = 40,000 Alcorn = 45,000 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _  JSU TIGERS: The MOST SUCCESSFUL BCF PROGRAM SINCE THE INCEPTION OF 1-AA (14 POST-SEASON APPEARANCES, 11 CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIPS, 13 ATTENDANCE TITLES, TWO BCF NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS, THE MOST NFL DRAFTEES, 15 TOP 20 FINISHES---THE MOST OF ALL HBCU'S)....ALL OF THIS SINCE 1978!!!!! |
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The apology was cool ROCKETPWR but I simply wish to point out that at every classic a school is designated as a home or away team.....This does not negate the fact of a neutral site atmosphere and promoters (that's the key). Anything that needs a promoter is an event not a game in the true sense. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ http://www.tnstate.edu/ "Success is to be measured not so much by the position that one has reached in life as by the obstacles which he has overcome while trying to succeed." -B.T. Washington |
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Gotcha'  ...But I dont think the CCC falls under the typical "neutral site classic" classification...Is there a title sponsor??? Arent JSU and Alcorn the promoters for the CCC???
This comment from the original news article is the source of my confusion...It seems to imply that JSU had 7 home games and that the CCC attendance isnt officially regarded...But on the contrary...JSU only had 6 home games...and the CCC attendance is recognized in the NCAA's home average data...plus the numbers stated in the article dont match the NCAA data which offers more support to JayRob/robber/TP's argument on the writer's lack of credibility/insight on the topic... _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FLORIDA A&M FOOTBALL 2008: RATTLERS CONTROL THE D.A.S.H.!!!!! Discipline-Attitude-Sacrifice-Heart!!!!! |
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Still trying I see. Oh well.... |
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Who was in charge of the stadium prior to 2000? |
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Instead of trying to lead me down the primrose path, just get to your point. I guess the stadium commission was in charge then, too. Members change. Who was managing it, I don't know. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |
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The Soul Bowl (Capital City Classic) is not a neutral site atmosphere dude. The only difference between the game now versus back in the 70's and 80's is that you get the Jackson atmosphere every year, instead of every other year. Alcorn simply accepted the game is more profitable for them to play in Jackson, rather than at Alcorn. So, instead of 40-50K every other year, you get 40-50K (usually) every year. And Alcorn makes more money than they would playing in their 22K seat stadium. The promoter you talk about is someone hired by the schools to run the events surrounding the game. So, stop the "neutral site" talk. It ain't the same. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |
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Meacfans: How many of your institutions hire a promoter for a home football game? Robber please enumerate the reasons why it's different.....other than they play at a neutral site of Memorial Stadium......not JSU's home stadium which does not exsist. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ http://www.tnstate.edu/ "Success is to be measured not so much by the position that one has reached in life as by the obstacles which he has overcome while trying to succeed." -B.T. Washington |
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