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Athletic Director |
I love that blueprint.
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All-Conference |
Are we the MEACFANS just being hard on our HBCU brethren Jackson State? I say no……I think the JSU fans have an inferiority and superiority complex when it comes to its traditional football success. JSU had inferiority complex due to the fact that this Mississippi school is the bottom of the UM system in every aspect of higher education and superiority because it pads its winning statistics by dismantling the Paul Quinn’s, Alcorn State’s, and the SWAC. Here’s a look at their “success” versus the SWAC:
Alabama A&M- 11-7- 0 (61%) Alabama St. - 27-9-1 (74%) Alcorn St. (MS) - 39-27-1 (58%) Arkansas-Pine Bluff- 19-10-1 (65%) Grambling St. (LA) 21-35-1 (37%) Mississippi Valley St. 48-5-2 (89%) Prairie View A&M (TX) 34-14-2 (70%) Southern (LA) 25-27-0 (48%) Texas Southern 35-16-1 (68%) Against two (2) of the SWAC big three (3) with JSU being the third: 46-62-1 (42%) hummm……only win 4 out of 10 Against the rest of the SWAC: 213-88-8 (69%) pad the stats & win 7 out of 10 Against other FCS conferences: Big Sky Conference 0-1-0 (0%) Colonial Athletic Association 0-1-0 (0%) Gateway Football Conference 0-2-0 (0%) Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference 25-20-2 (55%) Ohio Valley Conference 18-24-2 (43%) Southern Conference 0-1-0 (0%) Southland Conference 7-10-0 (41%) Out of Conference (OCC) record vs. FCS: 50-59-4 (44.2%) OCC record without the MEAC: 25-39-2 (38%) Therefore, let’s look at the facts about why JSU takes the meaning throwback stadium to heart and why they (JSU) will not have a new stadium in the near future. A decade of JSU attendance: [Year: Avg. attendance (home games)] 2007: 16100 (6) 2006: 20314 (5) 2005: 14597 (5) 2004: 13504 (3) 2003: 18196 (5) 2002: 23691 (4) 2001: 29067 (5) 2000: 11690 (5) 1999: 28933 (6) 1998: 14277 (4) 10 year average attendance: 19037 10 year average attendance vs. capacity: 31.5% full at Mississippi Veterans Memorial Stadium (60492) Possible new stadium should be 25K-30K capacity and versus 10 year attendance data will be 76.1% capacity (at 25K) and 63.5% capacity (at 30K). Well, I see why the state of Mississippi won’t waste the mullah to purchase JSU a home field. Hey, if JSU fans won’t attend JSU games then I guess it’s up to the visiting team to have a home away from home. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _   http://www.tnstate.edu/ "Success is to be measured not so much by the position that one has reached in life as by the obstacles which he has overcome while trying to succeed." -B.T. Washington |
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Head Coach |
attendance shouldn't be theh only factor.
What abbout the long-term cost of upkeep and renovations for Veterans Stadium compared to construction costs and break-even analysis for a new stadium? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _  |
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All-American |
This is what I was saying on a previous post. I'm not sure why a 40K seat stadium is needed for JSU. JSU doesn't lead in HBCU attendance every year but even if they did, it would never be leaps & bounds over FAMU, SU, SCSU, A&T (in most years)- all of which have 22-25K seat stadiums. Even the attendance leader of 07 (NSU) didn't quite reach 100% capacity of their 30K seat stadium. While, Im sure SOME games could surpass 35K, almost ALL existing stadiums have games that could go OVER capacity- such as Homecomings or big rivalry games. But when the 10-year AVERAGE is less than 20K, anything more than 30K would be a waste. Actually, I say 25-28K is sufficient with possible room to expand. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Still wearing thy colors....THE BLUE AND THE WHITE !!<br /><br />c/o 2001- QTIV |
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Bench Warmer |
So, your people only come out for SU? And three times .... not even close my friend. |
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All-Conference |
You are a certified JSU hater. Your posts are always negative when it comes to JSU. You even sensationalized the title to this thread to further illustrate your hate. You have no idea about what you're talking about. First, there are always more people at the games than is credited. Always. Whether they get counted, they are there. Secondly, we believe that an on-campus stadium will automatically boost attendance by virtue of the game being on campus. Enjoy campus and the game. The atmosphere is more conducive to a college game. And as I've said before, a new stadium wasn't approved last session, because legislators questioned why they just put millions into Memorial only to tear it down now. Now, I'm really trying to figure out how someone from your school would dare mention attendance. And then you go and question who JSU plays and beats. What does that have to do with anything??? Nothing. Yet you somehow manage to try to make it relevant. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _  |
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All-Conference |
Who does Jag fan come out for??? JSU and Gram. That's it. I've been to many SU games at Mumford not involving JSU, and the crowds don't be good. So save it. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |
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All-Conference |
Looking at just the numbers, you're right (not considering undercounts). But to us, it ain't that simple. It's about demand. I'm cool with 35k seat stadium. With that smaller stadium, there's no longer the luxury of knowing you can always just walk up and get a ticket. So season ticket sales go up. You got folk who wanna sit on the same side as the team. More season tickets to guarantee that. You got folk who wanna sit next to the band. Gotta get a season ticket to guarantee that. Now that season tickets have significantly increased, the weather watchers have less to chose from. They only wanna go on sunny days, but now, they might be outta luck. So maybe they'll go ahead and get season tickets. From there, everything else flows. And I disagree that almost all existing stadiums have games that could go over capacity. Homecoming, and that's it, for almost all existing stadiums. JSU has Alcorn, Valley, SU and homecoming as very strong possibilities. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |
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All-American |
Robber, how can you say most stadiums only have Homecoming as a potential sell-out? Not true. I'm talking in terms of I-AA HBCUs, which is why many games are played at a neutral site. As far as the MEAC-- all these games HAVE gove OVER capacity, would if they were played at a home stadium, OR is near that capability now(other than HC):
WSSU- A&T, poss NCCU A&T- WSSU, NCCU, poss SCSU Hampton- Howard & NSU Howard- Hampton, poss Morgan Morgan- Howard SCSU- Benedict, poss A&T FAMU- obviously BCC and TennSt FAMU vs. BCU couldn't fit half their classic crowd into either stadium. For years Hampton & Howard played to crowds in RFK stadium of 35-40K. MOST of our schools have multiple games that would overflow our stadiums. I'm sure SU playing JSU at home is also no exception. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Still wearing thy colors....THE BLUE AND THE WHITE !!<br /><br />c/o 2001- QTIV |
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Assistant Coach |
Regardless of how many folks you all claim are actually in your stands ... the ONLY numbers that MATTER are the ones you all have allowed to be on the books ... so all this lobbying about who actually was at your games in the past essentially don't mean squat.
As someone pointed out, it seems as though you all need to come up with a proposal for a 30K seat facility on your campus ... so simply get enough of your peeps to buy into the Initiative, and then just let UMC's eventual purchase of the Vet's land subsidize the bulk of the bond to foot the bill. To keep harping on who you all "think" you may have had in the Vet in the past is a complete waste. "Time to move forward!" ... And that starts with getting all YOUR peeps (back) on board! _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Just Remember... "One Person's Happy Hour ... Is Another Person's DINNER!" "So ... Don't Always Believe the Hype!"  |
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All-Conference |
See, I'm not including classics, because they aren't played in our stadiums. I'm talking games played in Jackson. What you're saying is correct. Many classics would overflow our stadiums, IF they were held there. But they're not. Even with undercounts, JSU has passed or come damn close to 35K for SU, Alcorn, Valley and Homecoming over the past 10 years. Games in Jackson. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |
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All-Conference |
I'm not lobbying. No need for it. It's in the legislators' hands now. They gotta get over "wasting" millions on Memorial, first. In the meantime and between time, we'll play in Memorial under this "perfect" arrangement, until our stadium gets built. We'll have Memorial or we'll have our own. As for getting people back on board, we're our own worst enemy. Win one SWAC title and they jack ticket prices up. So, we'll be pricing out a few folk. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |
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Head Coach |
For years, TP has argued that it was more economical for JSU to rent the stadium and not own its own stadium. I guess JSU has nothing to show for all those years of renting.
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All-American |
Robber, Stop trying to fight everyone. Facts are facts. Without even looking at the article you know that the battle is between the state legislature (Filled with MSU and Ole Miss grads) and JSU. Ask yourself honestly, will the state of Mississippi approve the development of a new stadium for JSU while the big three (MSU, Ole Miss, and Southern Miss.) upgrade old, structurally limited on campus stadiums??? Be honest!! _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Nothing at all....Nothing at all.... |
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All-Conference |
I'm not fighting anyone. You seem to operate under the assumption that it won't happen, and trying to get me/us to disprove your theory. Don't work that way. University Medical Center (UMC) has publicly lobbied for the propery that Memorial sits on. They wanna expand. Problem is, that's where JSU plays football. What they gonna do??? Bills were proposed to give the land to UMC and build JSU a stadium. Didn't pass this time. The talk was about the money just put into Memorial. So this compromise was reached. JSU gets total gameday control and the Dept. of Finance manages it for JSU's benefit. This measure is really designed to buy some time. They will give UMC that property, but they gotta build JSU's stadium first. Ole Miss will be winning in this deal, since UMC is its med school. And none of those schools stadiums are limited. Ole Miss done added luxury suites. USM is doing the same right now. They all can enclose an endzone if they want. The short answer to your question is YES!!! I believe it will happen. Not immediately, tho. 10 years or so. But we're not in a rush. We love Memorial, and now we "pimping" every event played there. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |
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Cheerleader |
This is some funny stuff being posted about JSU and the stadium situation.
ESPECIALLY about the state not building us a stadium because Ole Miss and Miss State play's in outdated stadium. Guess someone forgot to tell Ole Miss that. They sold out the newly renovated stadium's skyboxes at $250,000 yearly, with each requiring a $50 grand deposit and a contract for 10 year's lease a year before they were finished. In fact, Memorial Stadium is now the 2nd largest stadium in Mississippi and soon will be the 3rd largest when Mississippi State expand's their's again. Ole Miss expanded their stadium to 66,000. Mississippi State is now at 56,000 and Memorial seat's 60,250. These 2 school's have no intention of ever playing home games anywhere outside of Oxford and Starksville again. JSU has over $300,000,000 in campus/neighborhood building project's going on right now. The state want to delay building us a stadium and give us this sweetheart deal, then more power to them as long as no expenses come out of our pocket for Memorial. A stadium will come in the next 6 to 7 year's cause there is no way the State is going to continue this deal where they pay and JSU collect's all the profit generated. WE CAN AFFORD TO SIT BACK AND WAIT. It's total profit for JSU. This message has been edited. Last edited by: jsu-83, |
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Cheerleader |
I had to do a double take at this. I knew those word's sounded familiar after posting them a million times on this subject. That $1 deal was the biggest joke in the world and JSU quickly responded with a HE!! NO. |
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Assistant Coach |
Seems that the timetable might be pushed up a LOT further ... If YOU all got an Initiative together, and started pooling your loot, and started to exert a little pressure on the State to at least show that if you all build it we WILL be able to support it after that!
This so called "pimp" deal you all speak of seems to only be a temporary way to keep you all quiet until THEY decide what THEY are gonna do with that lot ... And whatever you all eventually get you're content with it. Why not get something together to show your state that once they help build it, you all have the folks in place that will take it from there ... instead of wait another decade or so? And FTR ... What other events are being played there that you all will be making loot from? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Just Remember... "One Person's Happy Hour ... Is Another Person's DINNER!" "So ... Don't Always Believe the Hype!" |
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Cheerleader |
Yep. the pimp deal is keeping us negro's quiet. OK. No need to try and explain this any further. Believe what you want from a distance. Peace. The other event's there are: The Mississippi Highschool Football Championships, all classes from 1A to 5A. The Gridiron Classic featuring senior 1AA players against 1A players that slipped off the senior bowl radar. Any Concert's held there. Drum Corp International. Mississippi Battle of the Bands every September. All rent from the businesses located on Memorial Stadium Property: Jiffy Lube, Backyard Burgers, Art school, etc. D3 Millsaps against D3 Mississippi College football backyard brawl. Saint's Pre-season game if scheduled there. Saint's training camp is located directly across the street from Memorial at Millsaps College. This message has been edited. Last edited by: jsu-83, |
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