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All-Conference |
Everybody knows that James Bell is the biggest culprit. We lost tons of fans during his tenure. Folk simply stopped coming, and getting them back hasn't been easy. As for the costs of usage, you are right, the state bears all the costs of JSU using that stadium. Before, we paid rent based on the attendance. Then, it went to no rent at all. Now, it's y'all run the stadium. Whatever money is made from any venture will be banked for JSU. Great deal, if you ask me. But I will be the first to admit that the stadium is too big. Kills season ticket sales because it's so big. Nobody has to worry about not being able to get a ticket. Most sensible fans agree a smaller on-campus stadium (35-40K max) would be great. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _  |
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You'd need to attend a JSU game to understand the severity of the undercounts. Machiavelli is the only person I know if that has been to games in Jackson and says there are no undercounts. Ask Bama State fans. Ask SU fans. Those who come see a whole lot more folk that JSU gets credit for. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |
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If thats the case, even more reason to get your own on-campus stadium so all these undercounts can be avoided. But also understand that when you have a stadium THAT large & folks are spread out all over w/ all their belongings spread out next to them (in certain sections) it may give the illusion that a lot more folks are there than really are. A new state of the art modern 25K seat stadium would be great for JSU.  _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Still wearing thy colors....THE BLUE AND THE WHITE !!<br /><br />c/o 2001- QTIV |
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That "illusion" is what we're trying to figure out. Cause it sholl look like wayyyy more than we get credit for. I know that JSU counts tickets sold. And who knows how many comps/hookups we give out??? I think that's the biggest culprit. A lot of folk always looking for freebies. I been turning them down for years, in favor of buying season tickets for me and the family. As for size, we think 35-40k is more appropriate. Alcorn, SU, Valley and homecoming have all topped 35k, or close to it, in recent years. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |
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Sure Jayrob, It was built in the 60s by black taxpayers for the SEC. Sure Jayrob. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _  Jackson State's cut from the SCG |
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the bigger issue seems to be code compliance and lack of modern amenities that contemporary sports fans have grown accustomed to.
If the stadium is not code compliant, and folks are staying away partly because the game day experience doesn't measure up to other competing events for the sports fans dollar (my assumption, my words), J-State will have to do something. Now, unless Tight Eye cut off some of the article, there are no specifics around what codes are not being met by the current stadium. Now, this guy also asserts that the 2007 average attendance for J-State home games doesn't support getting a new on-campus stadium. It would be nice if someone ran the financials to determine how much the new stadium would cost (smaller size, I presume) vs. the cost of upgrades for code compliance, upgrades for modernization, annual cost for upkeep/maintenance , utility costs for Miss. Vet Stadium. Throw in projected attendance and home game revenue (recent nos. for Miss. Vet vs. projected 3 year data for new stadium) and see what pops up. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _  |
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The writer is making a foolish argument. Most college presidents want campus stadiums and arenas because they feel this generates higher attendance from students, alumni and friends. It provides the college and family atmosphere that students and alumni love which off campus facilities normally doesn't allow. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ The Aggie Jazz |
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JayRob, I used to work for MSU (Ayers case)and its not what the white by said, its what I know. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Nothing at all....Nothing at all.... |
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If I understand this correctly...the state still owns the stadium...but JSU now gets to manage its own home games...while the DFA manages all other games/events at Memorial...that doesnt sound like a bad deal to me
JSU keeps all their revenue and only pay for the expenses that they incur...Furthermore...based on the article...it reports that the other public university stadiums (Ole Miss, Southern Miss, Valley, et al) are owned by the state too...I was always under the impression that state schools raised the funds for their stadium building efforts first...then the state would match that figure...but the school still owned the stadium in the end...or is it different in Mississippi???  Also the attendance figures presented are paid attendance...I've seen the pics of the JSU/SU 06 game and the stadium looked packed...but the numbers dictated only 40K...I seriously doubt that JSU is comp'ing 20K tickets...so ProudPirate's "illusion" theory may actually hold some validity...otherwise I dont understand why the previous stadium manager (Who was it BTW???) would undercount JSU's attendance...Would someone from JSU please explain the "conspiracy"??? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _  Cast-hell!!! One of yo 2's done got loose again!!!  |
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It truly is a conspiracy between Ole Miss and JSU. They (Ole Miss) have wanted to control Jackson and the surrounding area for years and JSU won't budge. JSU still has to continue to fight for everything. I hope they get the on-campus stadium. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Nothing at all....Nothing at all.... |
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First of all, Memorial Stadium is perhaps the best home stadium in all of HBCU football. The Saints played there two/three years ago. The stadium recently had a multi-million dollar facelift, so why is the reporter even talking about codes to begin with? Hmmm. Second, if this reporter REALLY wanted to be fair and unbiased, why does he single out attendance covering only ONE year? Why not list the attendance numbers for the past seven, eight, nine or ten years in order to get a more truer picture? This guy mentioned only ONE year. In the entire scheme of it all, one year tells us nothing. This reporter had to know this. Then to top it all off, the guy states that "JSU fans don't even like JSU". Now why would any reporter in his right mind post such a statement in his article? Where's his survey to support such a statement? He has none. Where's his research? He has none, well he does have one year, but even that info is not accurate. Surely you folks can see through this charade and joke of an article. |
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I'd like to know the code issues, myself. In the last 5 years the stadium has undergone 2 of 3 renovation phases. The 3rd and final phase being renovations to the press box. I don't think there are any significant violations to cure (financially). Those renovations are a big part of the reason why the legislature balked at an on-campus stadium. They argued, if you knew you wanted to let UMC have the land, why put millions of dollars into Memorial just a few years ago??? With all the money they just put into it, I can't see code problems. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |
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^^^I dont like the direction of this comment...It almost suggests that JSU football may be homeless...which is preposterous in concept... The numbers may not justify Memorial still standing...but if the state gave Alcorn and Valley new on campus stadiums with smaller averages than JSU...then why wouldnt the state award JSU with an on campus stadium commensurate to their fanbase too??? Even though JSU now has management control over their home games in Memorial...maybe they wont be banking all their revenue like I previously thought...Will JSU pay the state a percentage??? robber what was the situation before??? And I didnt know that JSU had 7 home games last year...good stuff  _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Cast-hell!!! One of yo 2's done got loose again!!! |
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Make no mistake, that stadium is state property. I don't know how "ownership" of the on-campus stadiums is viewed, but every on-campus stadium in Mississippi was either built by the state or federal government. Any expansions were done privately be each school. Mississippi made a deal with JSU years ago to tear down Alumni Field, and built a science building on that land. The state agreed to build a new stadium. Never happened. That's why JSU doesn't have an on-campus stadium now. As for conspiracy, who knows. Lower attendance meant lower rent. It really woulda benefited the stadium commission to exaggerate attendance to increase the rent. In any event, I understand JSU to comp a lot of doggone tickets. Not 20k worth, but still way too many. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |
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Previously, JSU paid rent based on attendance. Got a percentage of concessions and parking. Upkeep and other expenses paid by state. Last year, the rent was abolished. Now, we get every dime made. Upkeep and other expenses still footed by the state. The DOF manages the stadium for JSU. If some event is held in the stadium, whatever the usage fee, it's JSU's money. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |
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It would be fine to have our own stadium, but right now, we're doing just fine. That is why we didn't take the stadium when they offered it to us for $1 a few years back. The department of Finance is responsible for ALL debt and upkeep. The State of Mississippi gave them a new budget to reflect their new responsibilities. As of JULY, the agency running Memorial now, THE STADIUM COMMISSION, will not exist anymore. They did away with that completely and turned over their duties to the Dept. of Finance. JSU assumes no stadium debt or bill's at all. (thanx stagg) In other words, we eat, sleep, drink and play for free. |
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Read this bill. It was passed and signed by the governor.
Here's a relevant part:
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And JSU shouldnt have had to pay rent, percentages, nor any other expenses in the first place...I think the state was wrong for mandating such when they were the cause for JSU not having an on campus stadium anymore...I believe they've finally seen the error in their ways and are attempting to reconcile... $1???  One man's trash isnt always another's treasure...The state would essentially be shifting the financial burden of managing Memorial's expenses onto JSU (who doesnt need a stadium that large)...yet they acknowledge that JSU attendance numbers arent sufficient to keep the "Vet" standing...What kind of games is the state of Mississippi trying to play???  _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Cast-hell!!! One of yo 2's done got loose again!!! |
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