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Pook
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This is one of the BEST moves I've ever seen.

-signed John Fox,
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LOL! You aint right Laugh

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I know I Will because this kid will live up to every bit of the expectations! I spent hours studying the draft this year and I thought he was the 2nd best player in the draft! I see him developing into a fine QB

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Get Paid!! Get Money!! Get Paid!!

"Free Market Value"

Capitalism!!

How much is the franchise worth and the owner(s) making if he(they) can even consider negotiating such a deal?

Get Paid!! Get Money!! Get Paid!!


ditto what they said - in a capitalistic climate its about pimps and hoe's - ie if you ain't the pimp (boss) then you need to be the highest paid HO (employee) you can be - PERIOD!!!

Stop gettin it twisted peeps!!! We all need to take care of ourselves LEGALLY!!!

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Arthur Blank just painted a big arse red bullseye on that young man's chest and back.

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Don't worry, I live in Atlanta...I'll have to relive it 16 times next year.

A QB is only as good as his OL. That fundamental truth of football will never change. ALL winning QBs had very good offensive line. The ironic exception, Michael Vick.


I agree that offense line play is important, but if a franchise does not have a solid QB, the offensive line don't matter.

Last year there were like 50 to 60 QBs who started a game last year due to injury or just plain ineffectiveness. And a lot of those teams wavered because of instability at that position.

Just take the Giants for example. They had a pretty good OL, but that team would not have won the Super Bowl if Eli Manning did not play well. Say what you want about OLs, but if your team can't find a solid QB, your franchise is screwed.

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This is exactly why the owners backed out of the CBA and I don't blame them. We need a rookie salary range and from there load their contracts with incentives for the next three years to see if they can contribute.

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Remember this thread.


Don't worry, I live in Atlanta...I'll have to relive it 16 times next year.

A QB is only as good as his OL. That fundamental truth of football will never change. ALL winning QBs had very good offensive line. The ironic exception, Michael Vick.


I agree that offense line play is important, but if a franchise does not have a solid QB, the offensive line don't matter.

Last year there were like 50 to 60 QBs who started a game last year due to injury or just plain ineffectiveness. And a lot of those teams wavered because of instability at that position.

Just take the Giants for example. They had a pretty good OL, but that team would not have won the Super Bowl if Eli Manning did not play well. Say what you want about OLs, but if your team can't find a solid QB, your franchise is screwed.


Eli didn't screw up in that super bowl. He had a solid game in that super bowl. There are at least 5 QBs that could've did the same thing. The Giants won that Super Bowl because they got pressure on Brady and they shut down the Pats offense.

Give me a GREAT line that allows my QB time to pick his target over a ELITE QB with no line.

You don't have to break the bank for a "solid" QB. Granted a team NEEDS a solid QB but if that line sucks he's going to be on his azz...ALOT and then your "solid" rookie QB because David Carr, who will NEVER recover.

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How good is Matt Ryan going to be with that o-line. Not very. michael Vick spent alot of time in his off seasons trying to become a better pocket quaterback only to go into the regular season and start running again. Because he had no line and his WR was garbage. What have they done to upgrade there o-line and WR. Don't tell me they expect Joe Horn to have 70 receptions this season. They could have gave Matt Ryan a 70 million dollar contract but 30 million guaranteed. That was just a dumb business move.
 
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Camera hit this on the head. Eventually we hit the high water mark and things get renegotiated. Tell a traditional union worker that salaries always go up, let alone that the new young guy will make more than you. The system is weighted incorrectly and is clearly not good for locker room morale, and the people are key to any organization. I bet this will be a point the players association will have little problem restructuring. Comparing it to yesterday is tough because the sharing agreement was highly in the owners favor. Now that the balance is more favorable for players than before, the pick up in distribution is going to the new instead of the proven.
 
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This is exactly why the owners backed out of the CBA and I don't blame them. We need a rookie salary range and from there load their contracts with incentives for the next three years to see if they can contribute.

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On behalf of ALL Defensive lineman, we're extremely excited about this!

-signed Julius Peppers.

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The Falcons will be jinx!!!


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If anything, pro athletes are underpaid

By Terence Moore | Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 04:56 PM

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Matt Ryan was the wrong choice. If you have the opportunity to draft the next Warren Sapp in Glenn Dorsey with the No. 3 pick overall in the NFL draft, you do it. Instead, the Falcons did the historically risky by taking a quarterback that high in the first round.

That said, nobody is overpaid. In fact, most folks are underpaid. Others are within several pennies of what they should be making, including shortstops, point guards, defensemen and even quarterbacks making something like $72 million.

I was an economics major in college, so trust me when I say Ryan isn’t overpaid, OK? Neither is any professional athlete, and there are many reasons why.

Here are just five of them.

USA, USA, USA

We’re talking about supply and demand, free-market system, survival of the fittest, rugged individualism. All the American things that have generated cringing through the decades from Lenin to Mao to whoever invented the salary cap. ...

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Doesnt matter how damn good he is when he's gonna have to run as soon as the ball is snapped due to that piss poor offensive line.

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If anything, pro athletes are underpaid

By Terence Moore | Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 04:56 PM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/Moore...?cxntnid=sprt060408e

Matt Ryan was the wrong choice. If you have the opportunity to draft the next Warren Sapp in Glenn Dorsey with the No. 3 pick overall in the NFL draft, you do it. Instead, the Falcons did the historically risky by taking a quarterback that high in the first round.

That said, nobody is overpaid. In fact, most folks are underpaid. Others are within several pennies of what they should be making, including shortstops, point guards, defensemen and even quarterbacks making something like $72 million.

I was an economics major in college, so trust me when I say Ryan isn’t overpaid, OK? Neither is any professional athlete, and there are many reasons why.

Here are just five of them.

USA, USA, USA

We’re talking about supply and demand, free-market system, survival of the fittest, rugged individualism. All the American things that have generated cringing through the decades from Lenin to Mao to whoever invented the salary cap. ...


Economics major or not, that's hogwash. Collectively, athletes are not overpaid, but individually there are some that are under and some that are over relative to their peers. How can Keith Van Horn not be overpaid? A true measure would be based on their individual value creation to the organization, but then you would have to pay variable salaries year by year instead of LT contracts as some will exceed the value of their contracts while others don't pan out. LT contracts, salary caps and the CBA complicate a simple supply and demand comparison. Yes there are a limited number of elite athletes, and high demand for them, but no, that guy on the bench that is making more money than the guy ahead of him suggests that both can't be fairly paid for their current contribution. If you argue that one is being paid for previous contributions, than they were underpaid previously and overpaid now. If you argue that they are getting paid for future contributions, you are just hoping those contributions come to fruition.
 
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