He stated the revenue amount and provided the source. You (not understanding potential rev streams) stated they could not have generated $3.4 million in rev from 30,000 fans. You were poking holes in a false premise YOU made.

This is dumb. Jay, leave these peeps to their little things and move on man.

As much as the Jagur in me don't like saying this, y'all are JSU. Y'all got bigger fish to fry than BCU. Just tap whoever comes from that conference like we did and once the game is gone, we won't have to worry about the MEAC bothering us or vice-versa.

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As much as the Jagur in me don't like saying this, y'all are JSU

Yep ...

Basically ...

J ust
S how
U P ...

And whoever y'all hafta play ... Just handle it, and then be done with it!

It ain't like anybody playing in it is really getting paid anything worth bragging about anyway ... Considering how much the Mouse and TJ are gonna make offa BOTH of ya!"

... And it D@MN sure ain't worth all this "discussion" about how much more (or less) one broke @ss school is making than the other broke @ss one!

FTR ... $3.4M / 30,000 = $113.33 per person

How much are all of us making per home attendee anyway?

And - "How much MORE could we all make ... If we ALL simply just 'played & stayed' our @sses home more often?"

" ... Or REMAIN 'd!" ... No matter WHAT Conference you're a member of!"

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Originally posted by SUJaguar79:
This is dumb. Jay, leave these peeps to their little things and move on man.

As much as the Jagur in me don't like saying this, y'all are JSU. Y'all got bigger fish to fry than BCU. Just tap whoever comes from that conference like we did and once the game is gone, we won't have to worry about the MEAC bothering us or vice-versa.

SUJ79, I hear you bruh. I was mainly just shootin' the bull with 'em. MEAC fans are alright with me, ESPECIALLY when we put 'em in their place. You hear that rocketpwr?!

I for one would like to see Universal as the title sponser. Think about it they have two theme parks,there are hotels,GE owns Universal who is who also owns NBC. Fla classic one week than Bayu Classic.

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Originally posted by FAMU CLIFF:
He stated the revenue amount and provided the source. You (not understanding potential rev streams) stated they could not have generated $3.4 million in rev from 30,000 fans. You were poking holes in a false premise YOU made.

FAMUCLIFF That's ALL that I did...

JayRob...the SUBJECT was that BCU earned more in total football revenue than JSU...you didnt believe my claim because you ignorantly ASSumed that it was impossible for a small BCU to achieve greater financial success than JSU...I then provided a link with the factual figures...then your disbelief became "HOW CAN BCU MAKE THAT MUCH WITH ONLY 30K FANS?" and "THOSE NUMBERS ARE SPUN"...finally JB presents further figure decomposition...and it's save face time for you...I never asserted that BCU generated that much money strictly from their home games in the first place...but because of your limited knowledge on potential rev streams...YOU thought that BCU's earnings only came from the gate...your incompetence is not my fault...

But since you insist on spinning this over to the gate NOW (when you KNOW it wasnt the ORIGINAL topic)...my question still stands: Does JSU make $1 mil at the gate like BCU???

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Originally posted by ¡ROCKETPWR!:

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Originally posted by FAMU CLIFF:
He stated the revenue amount and provided the source. You (not understanding potential rev streams) stated they could not have generated $3.4 million in rev from 30,000 fans. You were poking holes in a false premise YOU made.

FAMUCLIFF That's ALL that I did...

JayRob...the SUBJECT was that BCU earned more in total football revenue than JSU...you didnt believe my claim because you ignorantly ASSumed that it was impossible for a small BCU to achieve greater financial success than JSU...I then provided a link with the factual figures...then your disbelief became "HOW CAN BCU MAKE THAT MUCH WITH ONLY 30K FANS?" and "THOSE NUMBERS ARE SPUN"...finally JB presents further figure decomposition...and it's save face time for you...I never asserted that BCU generated that much money strictly from their home games in the first place...but because of your limited knowledge on potential rev streams...YOU thought that BCU's earnings only came from the gate...your incompetence is not my fault...

But since you insist on spinning this over to the gate NOW (when you KNOW it wasnt the ORIGINAL topic)...my question still stands: Does JSU make $1 mil at the gate like BCU???

LIE #1 (see you letting BCU folks make you look stupid): JSU (like FAMU) makes MORE than 1 million from gate receipts; BCU makes less than 500K from gate receipts!! Simply do the math. 5000 fans per week (on average)at 20 dollars per ticket (on average) for 5 games (on average)

First of all...once again...those BCU numbers are fugged and unless someone can tell us where the other 3 million is coming from, TP ain't buying it. It's dumb for you to even believe it and THEY are not telling you where the money is coming from.

On top of that, yes JSU makes more than a million from the gate. Just last year, we average about 15000 fans per game with 22 dollar tickets (on average) for 5 home games. That is 1.6 million from the gate (before expenses). BCU's tickets are not as high as ours AND they draw 1/3 of what we draw so they would be happy to make 500K from FIVE games (before expense). After expenses, they are in the red!! ....and they are in the red until someone can tell me HOW they are not....(i.e. they get a 500K check from sponsor A, a 550K check from sponsor B, NFL product donates 100K). YA'LL CAN'T DO THAT. You cannot run a football program with 500K in gate receipts. BCU's revenue is not actual revenue. It's gotta be something like how they count student fees, donations, etc... Public schools obviously have different rules. And then ya'll on here braggin about BCU making $0.00. Yet, they claim they don't need more money... LOL

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Originally posted by FAMUVenom:

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Gate receipts are not the only source of revenue. The report lists revenue and you keep talking gate receipts.

Once again Cliff ...

"Some folks are only out here simply looking to do nothing more than just "play football" ... While others are out here looking to utlize & maximize their efforts to play POLITICS ...

... "And apparently at least one of us out here is succeeding to some extent!"

After all these pages of debate & dialouge ... Maybe the Question to all of the JSU'ers still worrying about BCU's loot so much should now be ...

"Just how much is your Program generating for YOU OFF the field?"

No, you are missing the point. If BCU is making 3 million from "other sources" that is great and we are happy for them. We are only asking what those sources are. Sponsorships are hard to come by in large amounts JUST to the football program so if BCU has figured out a way to do this, we commend them. However, it's hard for TP to buy what they are selling and what JB posted is a total fabrication so we can't believe ONE word of it. BCU has NEVER made a million dollars a year from gate receipts. They would have to sell out every week to do that and they STILL would fall short of a million...LOL JSU makes well over a million EVERY year.

How much money is our program generating off the field? I don't but if it was, it WOULD NOT be going into a section called "football revenue". I think we should list how much the private schools list for revenue and compare that to public schools. That would shine more light on this subject becasue it HAS to boil down to that.

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Originally posted by FAMUVenom:
Yep ...

Basically ...

J ust
S how
U P ...

And whoever y'all hafta play ... Just handle it, and then be done with it!

It ain't like anybody playing in it is really getting paid anything worth bragging about anyway ... Considering how much the Mouse and TJ are gonna make offa BOTH of ya!"

... And it D@MN sure ain't worth all this "discussion" about how much more (or less) one broke @ss school is making than the other broke @ss one!

FTR ... $3.4M / 30,000 = $113.33 per person

How much are all of us making per home attendee anyway?

And - "How much MORE could we all make ... If we ALL simply just 'played & stayed' our @sses home more often?"

" ... Or REMAIN 'd!" ... No matter WHAT Conference you're a member of!"

First, this game is a total win for JSU. We were supposed to playin Natchitoches, LA for zero money. Now we play in Orlando, and get $250K after expenses. Secondly, people need to really rethink this notion that $250K ain't no money. Seriously, 95% of HBCUs don't make that for a home game, after expenses. FAMU, SU, JSU, A&T, and maybe one or two others can draw enough fans to a game to clear $250K from a game. So, while folk are laughing at the amount, aside from a few schools, and some very old and well developed classics, a lot of our schools could use such a small payout.

JSU's home opener last year drew 12,667 officially. That's $253K from ticket sales at $20 per ticket (tickets range $17 to $30). And many of us don't charge $20 for a ticket. Add parking and concessions, and you might get to $275-280K. We had to pay Delta State. And then you got all expenses generally associated with a game. Seriously, none of us can laugh at $250K, because we all got games like this. And that's a great day for that 95% of our schools.

I didnt know we were in debt...
I guess TP is the only one who knows.
Send me a link, or anykind of file stating that BCU is in the red.
How can you say all that bullisht when your not working in the office at Bethune-Cookman.

Please prove all of us wrong TigerPride...
Provide evidence for your case genius...

Robber, these MEAC people can't do math.

Also, BCU made 0.00 so they could sho nuff use another $250K. Where else will they get it? A team would have to draw about 20K fans to net $250K...it takes Bethune FOUR games to make that much...LOL

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Originally posted by GOLD:
I didnt know we were in debt...
I guess TP is the only one who knows.
Send me a link, or anykind of file stating that BCU is in the red.
How can you say all that bullisht when your not working in the office at Bethune-Cookman.

Plase prove all of us wrong TigerPride...

I KNOW that it takes more than 75K to host a home game and that is all you make per week. YOu have to pay people to work gates, parking, security, print tickets or pay ticketmaster, pay for lights, etc...

JSU paid Delta State $25K to come to Jackson last year and they took it becasue even if they sell their stadium out, they won't NET 25K!! You all need to learn about finances but most of all, i bet NONE of you got your info from BCU's AD.

Also, I never said your department was in the red. I said that you take a net loss at EVERY home football game. There is a difference.

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Originally posted by Tigerpride:

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Originally posted by GOLD:
I didnt know we were in debt...
I guess TP is the only one who knows.
Send me a link, or anykind of file stating that BCU is in the red.
How can you say all that bullisht when your not working in the office at Bethune-Cookman.

Plase prove all of us wrong TigerPride...

I KNOW that it takes more than 75K to host a home game and that is all you make per week. YOu have to pay people to work gates, parking, security, print tickets or pay ticketmaster, pay for lights, etc...

JSU paid Delta State $25K to come to Jackson last year and they took it becasue even if they sell their stadium out, they won't NET 25K!! You all need to learn about finances but most of all, i bet NONE of you got your info from BCU's AD.

Also, I never said your department was in the red. I said that you take a net loss at EVERY home football game. There is a difference.

Please provide some evidence. You say we take a "net loss at every home game." If so, please show me a document stating this information...

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Dude, like told you...ain't NOBODY buying this....BCC does not make more all year as JSU makes in one game. All of my previous posts were deleted because people don't like the truth to be out there.

BCC is broke. Now, tell me how they can pass up on 250K when they barely make that much ALL year. They have probably never made more than 500K per year without FC revenue.

You did state numerous times that we were broke in another topic. I really want to know where you got this information from TigerPride...

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Originally posted by GOLD:

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Originally posted by Tigerpride:

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Originally posted by GOLD:
I didnt know we were in debt...
I guess TP is the only one who knows.
Send me a link, or anykind of file stating that BCU is in the red.
How can you say all that bullisht when your not working in the office at Bethune-Cookman.

Plase prove all of us wrong TigerPride...

I KNOW that it takes more than 75K to host a home game and that is all you make per week. YOu have to pay people to work gates, parking, security, print tickets or pay ticketmaster, pay for lights, etc...

JSU paid Delta State $25K to come to Jackson last year and they took it becasue even if they sell their stadium out, they won't NET 25K!! You all need to learn about finances but most of all, i bet NONE of you got your info from BCU's AD.

Also, I never said your department was in the red. I said that you take a net loss at EVERY home football game. There is a difference.

Please provide some evidence. You say we take a "net loss at every home game." If so, please show me a document stating this information...

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Dude, like told you...ain't NOBODY buying this....BCC does not make more all year as JSU makes in one game. All of my previous posts were deleted because people don't like the truth to be out there.

BCC is broke. Now, tell me how they can pass up on 250K when they barely make that much ALL year. They have probably never made more than 500K per year without FC revenue.

You did state numerous times that we were broke in another topic. I really want to know where you got this information from TigerPride...

You know he can't provide a real source because he pulled that info outta' his ass bro.
By reading all of TigerPride's posts about B-CU, I've come to the conclusion that TigerPride is a dumbsh!t and no one should believe anything he states on this board.

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Originally posted by robber:

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Originally posted by FAMUVenom:
Yep ...

Basically ...

J ust
S how
U P ...

And whoever y'all hafta play ... Just handle it, and then be done with it!

It ain't like anybody playing in it is really getting paid anything worth bragging about anyway ... Considering how much the Mouse and TJ are gonna make offa BOTH of ya!"

... And it D@MN sure ain't worth all this "discussion" about how much more (or less) one broke @ss school is making than the other broke @ss one!

FTR ... $3.4M / 30,000 = $113.33 per person

How much are all of us making per home attendee anyway?

And - "How much MORE could we all make ... If we ALL simply just 'played & stayed' our @sses home more often?"

" ... Or REMAIN 'd!" ... No matter WHAT Conference you're a member of!"

First, this game is a total win for JSU. We were supposed to playin Natchitoches, LA for zero money. Now we play in Orlando, and get $250K after expenses. Secondly, people need to really rethink this notion that $250K ain't no money. Seriously, 95% of HBCUs don't make that for a home game, after expenses. FAMU, SU, JSU, A&T, and maybe one or two others can draw enough fans to a game to clear $250K from a game. So, while folk are laughing at the amount, aside from a few schools, and some very old and well developed classics, a lot of our schools could use such a small payout.

JSU's home opener last year drew 12,667 officially. That's $253K from ticket sales at $20 per ticket (tickets range $17 to $30). And many of us don't charge $20 for a ticket. Add parking and concessions, and you might get to $275-280K. We had to pay Delta State. And then you got all expenses generally associated with a game. Seriously, none of us can laugh at $250K, because we all got games like this. And that's a great day for that 95% of our schools.

FWIW Robber ...

I thought a JSU - BCU matchup would have been a win-win-win-win for everyone involved ... for you all as well as for BCU to collect a $250K paycheck to essentially go a few redlights down the road. TJ would have had another potentially successful ANNUAL Event to add to his roster of stuff to benefit - and showcase - HBCU's overall in a positive light - and likely to a lotta folks that probably couldn't GAF about HBCU's one way or another ... and Mickey would get theirs when it's all said and done as well.

Bottom Line is ... If BCU DOES indeed earn the bulk of its athletic revenue from what it does OFF the field, that's something that most - if not ALL - of us should not only applaud, but should also invite their AD to share the info on how they've been able to make it happen.

If we actually were able to compile enough ACCURATE data on all our schools, and compared how well the schools the size of BCU do in proportion to all the rest of our so called "money schools", some of us might just be embarrassed at how they're able to accomplish what they have with what they do and have to work with - and what some of us have been so lax/lazy/cheap in doing.

In essence ...

If BCU's books were scaled to match yours proportionally ... "Whose books would look better then?"

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Originally posted by bcc-wildcat4lyfe:

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Originally posted by GOLD:

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Originally posted by Tigerpride:

quote:

Originally posted by GOLD:
I didnt know we were in debt...
I guess TP is the only one who knows.
Send me a link, or anykind of file stating that BCU is in the red.
How can you say all that bullisht when your not working in the office at Bethune-Cookman.

Plase prove all of us wrong TigerPride...

I KNOW that it takes more than 75K to host a home game and that is all you make per week. YOu have to pay people to work gates, parking, security, print tickets or pay ticketmaster, pay for lights, etc...

JSU paid Delta State $25K to come to Jackson last year and they took it becasue even if they sell their stadium out, they won't NET 25K!! You all need to learn about finances but most of all, i bet NONE of you got your info from BCU's AD.

Also, I never said your department was in the red. I said that you take a net loss at EVERY home football game. There is a difference.

Please provide some evidence. You say we take a "net loss at every home game." If so, please show me a document stating this information...

quote:

Dude, like told you...ain't NOBODY buying this....BCC does not make more all year as JSU makes in one game. All of my previous posts were deleted because people don't like the truth to be out there.

BCC is broke. Now, tell me how they can pass up on 250K when they barely make that much ALL year. They have probably never made more than 500K per year without FC revenue.

You did state numerous times that we were broke in another topic. I really want to know where you got this information from TigerPride...

You know he can't provide a real source because he pulled that info outta' his ass bro.
By reading all of TigerPride's posts about B-CU, I've come to the conclusion that TigerPride is a dumbsh!t and no one should believe anything he states on this board.

No one should?

FTFO

Too late. NO ONE DOES! LOL

Sad that SWAC folks on here are making false claims about a sister HBCU. Those are claims that if they were true, Bethune-Cookman would be an example of Morris Brown or Barber-Scotia.

My post from the other thread:

Some of y'all now just taking it over board. Don't come up with lies about our institution and certainly don't start rumors.

Why is it so hard to believe that B-CU has a productive athletic department?

Message to the HBCU family: We have NO CHOICE BUT TO BE as efficient as possible with our finances. We are a private, non-state funded, HBCU.

I would hope everyone in the HBCU family would be happy that a sister school is doing dayum well financially. Instead, some of y'all straight up hating and even claiming that B-CU is having financial problems. Take that somewhere else. This board is not, and has never been, about tearing another HBCU down.

Believe it! Cookman has its finances on lock and that's because WE HAVE TO. Our AD is one of the most respected in our conference (anyone on this board will tell you that) and our CFO travels to other HBCUs to give them tips and pointers of how our institution has been able to achieve what it has. Be proud of a fellow HBCU instead of hatin'.

TP, if you want to know how we do it, feel free to contact our president, our AD and our CFO. No smack intended: But it might give JSU some insight into how we do it and how ALL HBCUs can achieve something similar.

By the way, also don't question the report. Those are documents that we submit to the federal government which we also submit to SACS for our accreditation review. B-CU has been so successful in its finances and accreditation that our former president was asked to save another fellow HBCU. And guess what? He saved it. Edward Waters is still around because of Dr. Oswald P. Bronson.
We don't need this Challenge. Just accept it.

Now go back to asking why B-CU might not participate in the game: we're mad at Disney... we're doing what the Rattlers tell us to do... we're scared the tiggers from Jackson... blah blah blah. Feel free to go back to that. But don't start false rumors about a fellow HBCU.

Some of y'all acting like a bunch of Hillary Clintons.

Robber and Tigerpride,

Your cost associated with hosting a home game is accurate and informative for those truly interested with revenue, cost and profit associated with most HBCU athletic department. One of our greatest challenges is the need to make sure that our alums are presented accurate and honest information on the state of HBCU athletics in general. Many of our athletic directors 1) do not want to deal with the alums and booster organizations, 2) do not want to continue to acknowledge or forecast publicly the financial status of our programs and 3) do not want to deal with the backlash that many (president and or alums) will suggest that they are not doing their job i.e. incompetent, if they provide this information.

We truly need a HBCU Sports Consortium. One of our major issues is the fact that we cannot accurately pin point our worth as HBCU athletic programs. So each program negotiates their worth on their own terms. This is not a very effective way to create a financial power base to create a strong market place. Note: The ability of the larger BSC level programs and for that matter many upper-tier Division I programs.

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Originally posted by Tigerpride:

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Originally posted by GOLD:
I didnt know we were in debt...
I guess TP is the only one who knows.
Send me a link, or anykind of file stating that BCU is in the red.
How can you say all that bullisht when your not working in the office at Bethune-Cookman.

Plase prove all of us wrong TigerPride...

I KNOW that it takes more than 75K to host a home game and that is all you make per week. YOu have to pay people to work gates, parking, security, print tickets or pay ticketmaster, pay for lights, etc...

JSU paid Delta State $25K to come to Jackson last year and they took it becasue even if they sell their stadium out, they won't NET 25K!! You all need to learn about finances but most of all, i bet NONE of you got your info from BCU's AD.

Also, I never said your department was in the red. I said that you take a net loss at EVERY home football game. There is a difference.

First off, if the department is in the black then chances are THEY'RE NOT LOSING MONEY at Home football games. Especially a school in Florida...


but, I have another issue. Ya PAID Delta State to come to Memorial and tap that azz? Man, Walter Payton is rolling over in his grave as we speak.

SOUTHERN SEND HELP!