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But when these cops illegally pulled over Chris Wilcox I told ya'll about those Howard County Cops. A 19 yr old accidentally ran over Cop killing him and now the kid is found in his jail cell with a broken neck. Done during the weee hours of the night by somebody. Hmmmmmmmm!!

It's a war out here.

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Cops were going hard this weekend. I had a run in with a few PG County cops at a BBQ this weekend myself.

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But when these cops illegally pulled over Chris Wilcox I told ya'll about those Howard County Cops. A 19 yr old accidentally ran over Cop killing him and now the kid is found in his jail cell with a broken neck. Done during the weee hours of the night by somebody. Hmmmmmmmm!!

It's a war out here.

It's Prince George's County Cops BTW ksmith.

Wow...just read the story...strange

Suspect in Md. Officer's Death Was Strangled

By Aaron C. Davis and Ruben Castaneda
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, July 1, 2008; A01



A 19-year-old man suspected of killing a Prince George's County police officer was strangled in the county jail two days after his arrest, the state medical examiner's office concluded yesterday.

Ronnie L. White, who was found unresponsive Sunday morning, died of asphyxiation, and two small bones in his neck were broken, according to preliminary autopsy findings. Officials offered no theories about who might have killed him.

The findings drew immediate condemnation from civil rights advocates in the majority-black county, where residents have had strained relations with white police officers for many years. The FBI began a civil rights probe, and Maryland State Police were taking over the investigation of White's death last night at the request of county officials.

"We live in a constitutional democracy, and no one has the right to be judge and jury," County Executive Jack B. Johnson said last night as he announced the medical examiner's findings.

White, charged with first-degree murder in the slaying of Cpl. Richard S. Findley on Friday, was being held in solitary confinement at the county Correctional Center in Upper Marlboro, jail officials have said. A guard checked on him about 15 minutes before he was found on the floor of his cell with no detectable pulse, the officials said.

Jail and hospital officials said Sunday that White's body had no visible signs of trauma and that they could not rule out the possibility that he committed suicide.

White's family was immediately suspicious. Although relatives declined to comment last night, Dorothy White, Ronnie White's aunt, said before the results of the autopsy were known that the family was convinced of foul play. "They either injected his food or his -- I don't know what," she said.

According to police charging documents made public yesterday, White "intentionally accelerated" a large pickup truck with stolen license plates toward the officer, striking and dragging him in a parking lot in Laurel on Friday morning. Findley, 39, died later at a hospital.

White was apprehended by county police about noon that day and booked into the county jail about 12 hours later. He was found unresponsive about 10:30 a.m. Sunday.

Yesterday, some civil rights advocates said the incident, involving a slain white police officer and a slain black suspect, could exacerbate long-standing tensions. In the mid-1990s, relations grew particularly strained when a black burglary suspect was severely beaten while handcuffed during his arrest. The suspect was later acquitted.

Four officers, three of whom were white, were charged in the beating. A county jury cleared them, rejecting testimony from a black officer who said he saw the officers kick and hit the man.

Such tensions have eased significantly in recent years, with the police force becoming more diversified and more black leaders being elected to top office. "The county has progressed tremendously from where we were 25 years ago," said Earl Adams Jr., first vice president of the Prince George's NAACP chapter. "It's best we reserve judgment before we try to make it a racial issue."

Zalee Harris, an activist working to form a new county branch of the NAACP, said, "This is a potentially catastrophic event between the citizens and the police and the government."

White, who was 5 foot 10 and 140 pounds, was considered a high-profile inmate, jail officials said. Standard protocol would have been for him to be moved to a jail outside the county, officials said, but he was kept at the Upper Marlboro facility because he was charged and brought to the jail late Friday night.

Vicki D. Duncan, spokeswoman for the Department of Corrections, said White was in a room roughly 70 square feet with four solid walls and a door with a small window and a slot for meal trays.

Duncan could not say the last time guards might have opened the door. "They open it when they need to," she said. "We don't keep track of when doors are opened."

White's slaying is the latest in a series of problems at the correctional center. This year, a guard who was allegedly a member of the Bloods street gang was arrested on charges of supplying cellphones to inmates; another was charged with armed robbery and assault; two inmates turned up with handcuff keys; and a detainee was wounded when he was allegedly attacked by seven gang members in a holding area. On June 4, the director of corrections was fired after four handguns were discovered missing from the jail armory.

A jail employee who spoke on condition of anonymity said any officer can enter the unit where White was held.

"If you want to go and get in there, you can get in there," said the employee, who was not authorized to speak publicly. "If you want to get to somebody, you can."

The source said that to enter White's cell, someone would have needed a key from the maximum-security control booth or from officers assigned to the unit or would have had to pop the lock. The source also said that officers can go from one unit to another alone but are supposed to get permission from a supervisor.

Sgt. Curtis Knowles, president of the county Correctional Officers Association, said two correctional officers were assigned to the unit where White was housed. Knowles estimated that one of the officers is in his mid-20s and the other is in his mid-30s. Both have solid records, Knowles said.

Knowles said the 10:15 a.m. check was noted on a computerized log. He said that when an officer went to White's cell with lunch about 10 or 15 minutes later, White did not respond to knocks. The officer notified his partner that he had to go into the cell, Knowles said. That alone would not be unusual, because inmates often fall asleep, Knowles said.

The officer found White sitting on the floor, unresponsive and without a pulse, Knowles said. The emergency response team was called in, with medical personnel, to assist White, Knowles said. White was taken by ambulance to Prince George's Hospital Center, where he was pronounced dead.

Within two hours, about seven county homicide detectives were at the jail unit investigating the death, Knowles said. Knowles said he was present when the two correctional officers who had been assigned to the unit gave statements to detectives.

It is not unusual for an inmate to die in the jail, Knowles said. "What's uncommon is when you have a 19-year-old die," he said. "You don't think immediately it could be natural causes."

White was dressed in an orange jail jumpsuit and had blankets and sheets in his cell, Knowles said. None of the blankets or sheets had been torn, and there was no indication that White had harmed himself, Knowles said. On Sunday, Col. Gregory O. Harris, deputy director of operations for the county's Corrections Department, had said that cloth or ropelike material was not allowed in the maximum security cell.

Dimitri L. Contostavlos, the retired medical examiner of Delaware County, Pa., said strangulation typically leaves bruising from a ropelike object, the hands or another appendage, like an arm or foot. Strangulation is often accompanied by the cracking or breaking of the hyoid, thyroid and cricoid, bones, which form the voice box, he said.

Strangulation cuts off the flow of air and blood to the brain, and strong pressure around the neck can cause someone to fall unconscious in as little as 10 seconds, Contostavlos said. But "generally speaking, pressure has to be applied for several minutes" to kill someone, Contostavlos said. "To subdue another adult would take pretty much all the strength of most people."

Contostavlos said that in earlier days, corrections officers would use chokeholds or sleeper holds to subdue inmates but that the practice has been banned for years because of the danger that an officer could kill an inmate.

Johnson expressed anger not only at the death of a police officer but also the apparent murder of the suspect in the case. "If we have vigilante justice, our society will fall apart," he said. "If we tolerate these kinds of acts, the courts are superfluous."

Staff writers Hamil R. Harris Rosalind S. Helderman, Nelson Hernandez and James Hohmann and researcher Meg Smith contributed to this report.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...56.html?hpid=topnews

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But when these cops illegally pulled over Chris Wilcox I told ya'll about those Howard County Cops. A 19 yr old accidentally ran over Cop killing him and now the kid is found in his jail cell with a broken neck. Done during the weee hours of the night by somebody. Hmmmmmmmm!!

It's a war out here.

You are unbelieveable. How in the hell do you know this was an accident?

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Originally posted by ksmith:
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But when these cops illegally pulled over Chris Wilcox I told ya'll about those Howard County Cops. A 19 yr old accidentally ran over Cop killing him and now the kid is found in his jail cell with a broken neck. Done during the weee hours of the night by somebody. Hmmmmmmmm!!

It's a war out here.

You are unbelieveable. How in the hell do you know this was an accident?

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According to police charging documents made public yesterday, White "intentionally accelerated" a large pickup truck with stolen license plates toward the officer, striking and dragging him in a parking lot in Laurel on Friday morning. Findley, 39, died later at a hospital.

Accidentally?

If he was killed in jail, that's wrong plain and simple. Sounds like this kid was a thug and if he would have been out doing something constructive and instead of stealing TWO people may still be alive today. It's wrong but I feel no remorse for his murder.

I ain't no code of Hammurabi type of dude, but the kid had a pretty sizeable rap sheet for a 19 year old. Traffic, drugs, and guns. That's not counting the murder charge against him.

I still don't think it's right for the law to take the law into their own hands so to speak. When the law enforcement isn't following the law you get straight anarchy. That being said, the kid totally brought it upon himself. At least his mother (or granny, whichever raised him) will get a nice wrongful death lawsuit out of it.

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................................I still don't think it's right for the law to take the law into their own hands so to speak. When the law enforcement isn't following the law you get straight anarchy. ............................ .

Trust me, when it gets to the point when cops are allowed to become Judge, Jury, and Executioner; chaos will be the order of the day because ordinary law abiding citizens will began to fear and rebel against those who are sworn to protect and uphold the law.

That being said, if the inmate was killed by officers while in custody, I view them as being worse than the inmate they killed.


NO EXCUSE, NO JUSTIFICATION!!!!!!!

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If he was killed in jail, that's wrong plain and simple. Sounds like this kid was a thug and if he would have been out doing something constructive and instead of stealing TWO people may still be alive today. It's wrong but I feel no remorse for his murder.

Mods, let's be consistent here. WHY is this in Sports? Was he an athlete? Was the cop an athlete? Help me out here. This SHOULD be in MOM. Cause it's not "a silly thing in life" so it doesn't fit "Why Is It."

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Originally posted by ksmith:
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But when these cops illegally pulled over Chris Wilcox I told ya'll about those Howard County Cops. A 19 yr old accidentally ran over Cop killing him and now the kid is found in his jail cell with a broken neck. Done during the weee hours of the night by somebody. Hmmmmmmmm!!

It's a war out here.

You are unbelieveable. How in the hell do you know this was an accident?

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According to police charging documents made public yesterday, White "intentionally accelerated" a large pickup truck with stolen license plates toward the officer, striking and dragging him in a parking lot in Laurel on Friday morning. Findley, 39, died later at a hospital.

Accidentally?

By the way, "cops" don't run the jails or prisons.

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Originally posted by TooLiveThunderBro.:
If he was killed in jail, that's wrong plain and simple. Sounds like this kid was a thug and if he would have been out doing something constructive and instead of stealing TWO people may still be alive today. It's wrong but I feel no remorse for his murder.

First of all sorry I'm late today and thanks for the corrections. There were a few folks like you on the radio this morning. But, for the most part the message to you folks is don't feel sorry for the kid if you're that cold of a person but at least be outrage at Judge,Jury, and Executioner. This isn't a third world nation. We're not under "Gastopo" law.
I would also like to point out to your ruthless folks that the kid was only 19 and free. Meaning the rap sheet can't be but so bad. It's called the system. Meaning you have steps before being locked up. Evidently he did not reach that point so let's not act as if his death is "good riddence" to society. He also was awaiting his day in court. He probably would say he didn't speed up his vehicle. Hell...he may have even said he wasn't the one driving. Who knows...he never got his day in court. Who knows what the evidence would have truly revealed. I'm of the impression that most 19 year olds would be trying to get the hell away...not ploy down somebody. What good would that do? The also the question of the police actions. This cop was "gun-ho" in fact he doubled as a fireman. Some reports say he jumped in front of the truck demanding the car stop. Why didn't the cop get out of the way? I mean...damn! SuperMan? SuperCop? smh....

Murdering the kid in custody...a maximum secured facility with camera running and a mandatory check every 30 minutes is staggering. This means many guards were involved. This is a major crime...something I've never seen in America. Something you see in movies. People are going to JAIL!!!

btw,..I believe the guards killed him by accident also. But....it happened. I believe they meant to whup his arse and went too far. But, they still must pay and I don't feel sorry for the guards or cops because the city was sued 2.5 million dollars just four years ago for beating someone under custody who cops THOUGHT kill another officer. They should have learned their lesson. This is an un-American tragedy. A disgrace!!!

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...when these cops illegally pulled over Chris Wilcox...

You mean this Chris Wilcox?:


Maryland gun charge dismissed when he had to wait for canine unit then he gets this charge 3 weeks ago-


Thursday, June 5, 2008

Sonics' Chris Wilcox arrested on concealed-weapon charges
By Percy Allen

Seattle Times staff reporter

Sonics forward Chris Wilcox was arrested Saturday by the Bladen County Sheriff's Department in North Carolina and charged with two counts of carrying a concealed weapon.

It's believed Wilcox was a passenger in a car being driven by Carlos DeAndre Gathers, who was arrested on the same charges. Both were taken into custody and booked at the Bladen County Jail. Wilcox was released on a $500 bond.

Messages to Wilcox, a Whiteville, N.C., native, were not returned.

"Chris has made us aware of the situation," Sonics spokesman Tom Savage said. "We are in the process of gathering more information and we'll have further comment at the appropriate time."

Wilcox, 25, has played 2 ½ seasons with the Sonics since joining the team Feb. 14, 2006, in a trade with the Los Angeles Clippers. He has two years remaining on his contract and will earn $13.25 million.

This season, Wilcox averaged 13.4 points and 7.0 rebounds in 62 games. He missed 18 games, including the final month of the season, because of a dislocated right pinkie.

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Yeah, the driver will probably eat that charge but Chris doesn't get my sympathy for his judgment.

Yes...that was the old Howard county case I was talking about. Yeap!! If you guys think PG is bad...Howard County is worst. IMHO.

What's going on the PG County is a national embarrassment. For people who say the kid got what he deserved or he was no angel. I have this to say. I don't care if it was Charles Manson you don't have the right as an correctonal officer or policeman to go into cell and kill a prisoner. Especially...especially one that hasn't even had his day in court yet. Wouldn't it be something if he wasn't even the one driving the van the killed the cop? Three were taken into custody so no telling what happened. We're still getting different senarios and new assailants charged in the Sean Taylor case. When you're talking more than two teens being charge any of them could be lying.

I disagree with "vigilanteeism" but as far as this "war," are PG County correctional officers, many of whom are black, included as participants in this "war" too?

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My point with Wilcox is that with the recent charge, that makes two gun related cases for him in 3 years. Whether the stop was bad or not, it is still a gun charge and he again put himself in position to have it happen again. Can't defend bad choices- war or no war.

The Prince George's County Jail is NOT a maximum security facility. It is only a local jail. It is the jail's standard practice to place any person arrested for "a front page" crime in solitary confinement.

Does it matter whether it was PG or Howard County? The boy is dead. And it was done in jail. I don't care what kind of life he was living, the police officers should have left it up to the Judical system to take it course. We all are one mistake from being in a situation like the young man.

Don't automatically assume a guard did it. You are making an assumption. It is quite possible that an inmate was the murderer. Inmate murders of other inmates and inmate murders of corrections officers have happened before in Maryland prisons.