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Originally posted by Old School:

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Originally posted by PROUDPIRATE:

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...but hey, i'm just a spartan, we've only won as many playoff games in FCS as hampton...

...and we just wanna comPETE...

How did Hampton's name get slipped into this? and not even from TP, but from a Spartan
It would have made perfect & common sense to add JSU in place of Hampton since after all they've won as many as NSU, and the thread is about.....well....JSU.
Even though its true that no MEAC school admitted after the 1980s has won a playoff game, aside from that one measure- in FCS im not sure the 2 schools (NSU vs. Hampton OR JSU) should be compared.

FAMU

FAMU was admitted in the late 70s. Maybe I should have been clearer, no MEAC school that was admitted into the conference after 1980 has won an FCS playoff game.

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Originally posted by tsutiger:

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Originally posted by Da Seer:
Don't hurt him Doc, tsutiger is a tad bit delusional. If I had lost to a team the last six times, and the last 17 out of 20, I would be delusional, and hate them too.

I can full understand someone from FAMU making this statement. After all FAMU is one of the top 4 all time HBCU programs.

Da Seer,

True we have lost 17 of the last 20. Last six in a row. But even with all of that you guys have never taken the lead. 1AA title season or Semi Final season, both times you lost to

Thanks for the reminder, and FOR THAT REMARK we're gonna take the lead THIS YEAR!!! LOL!!!

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Originally posted by PROUDPIRATE:

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Originally posted by Da Seer:
Jackson State can compete with the Appalachian States of the world. They have the talent, and so do the HBCU's. It's all about belief, intensity, and execution. If you don't see it before you see it, you'll never see it. There is no reason why a school that has sent more pros to the NFL in 1-AA can't win a National Title. There is no reason why a conference that has sent more pros to the NFL can't win a SINGLE playoff game.

We need to stop being scurred and get it done.

I agree w/ you Daseer, I think it is absolutely possible, even though it may be a few years away. However, you've got to beat the Delta States of the world, CONVINCINGLY at that to compete with top midmajor programs and better yet, the App States

Any school can be beaten on any given Saturday. Case in point, App State beat Michigan, Ga Southern beat App State, Delta State beat Jackson State. Michigan beats Florida in a bowl game.

Bottom line: you will never beat them if you never play them!!! Jackson State should be trying to find loopholes around the SWAC Championship and get in the playoffs.

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Originally posted by JayRob:

And JSU has sent the greatest player in HBCU football to the NFL

Jerry Rice went to Mississippi Valley.

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Originally posted by Da Seer:

Jackson Stae should be trying to find loopholes around the SWAC Championship and get in the playoffs.

JSU wins their first conference title since 1996 and now we are looking for loopholes. Loopholes?

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Originally posted by JayRob:

I challenge ANYONE from Grambling, FAMU, Southern or Tenn. State to put their list up and I'll put mine up of quality NFL players from JSU. We can then let the names speak for themselves.

Put up your list. Let the names speak.

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Originally posted by MACHIAVELLI:

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Originally posted by JayRob:

I challenge ANYONE from Grambling, FAMU, Southern or Tenn. State to put their list up and I'll put mine up of quality NFL players from JSU. We can then let the names speak for themselves.

Put up your list. Let the names speak.

Mach, are you gonna entertain his statement?

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Originally posted by punchykky:

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Originally posted by MACHIAVELLI:

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Originally posted by JayRob:

I challenge ANYONE from Grambling, FAMU, Southern or Tenn. State to put their list up and I'll put mine up of quality NFL players from JSU. We can then let the names speak for themselves.

Put up your list. Let the names speak.

Mach, are you gonna entertain his statement?

Oh, so a fellow SWAC foe wants to accept the challenge? I was hoping one of the MEAC fans would step forward, so some of the young (and old) bucks could be taught a bit of SWAC history, but Mach, if you insist.

I'll give you the honor of going first, then I'll follow suit.

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Originally posted by JayRob:

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Originally posted by SUjagTILLiDIE:

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Originally posted by JayRob:
And JSU has sent the greatest player in HBCU football to the NFL and also has sent more QUALITY players to the NFL than ANY HBCU school. I'll put my NFL list up against ANY HBCU school, including fellow SWAC school, Grambling.

No homie. Gram has yall beat by a long shot.

Gram, SU, Famu, and Tenn St. are the historically the top HBCU's when it comes to football. JSU would come in behind those 4.

How is that when JSU hasn't had but four losing seasons since 1971? No other HBCU program can claim that feat, not even Grambling.

No HBCU team has the quality crop of players sent to the NFL as JSU has....none. I would put my list against ANY HBCU school. Southern, FAMU and Tenn. State aren't even in the debate.

I challenge ANYONE from Grambling, FAMU, Southern or Tenn. State to put their list up and I'll put mine up of quality NFL players from JSU. We can then let the names speak for themselves.

Here's Tennessee State University's list....COME AND GET IT!

Alexander, Brent (1994 - 2005)
Anderson, Bennie (2001 - 2006)
Barnes, Larry (1977 - 1979)
Bass, Billy (1947 - 1947)
Black, Avion (2000 - 2002)
Bowers, Sam (1987 - 1987)
Brooks, Cliff (1972 - 1976)
Bryant, Waymond (1974 - 1977)
Buchanan, Charles (1988 - 1988)
Caldwell, Darryl (1983 - 1983)
Carter, Alex (1987 - 1987)
Carter, Willie (1953 - 1953)
Coleman, Al (1967 - 1973)
Davis, Al (1971 - 1971)
Davis, Dave (1971 - 1974)
Davis, Oliver (1977 - 1982)
Davis, Rosey (1965 - 1967)
Dent, Richard (1983 - 1997)
Dickey, Eldridge (1968 - 1971)
Dorsey, Larry (1976 - 1978)
Dowdell, Marcus (1992 - 1996)
Drungo, Elbert (1969 - 1978)
Edwards, Cid (1968 - 1975)
Edwards, Steve (2002 - 2006)
Elam, Cleveland (1975 - 1979)
Elam, Onzy (1987 - 1989)
Elias, Homer (1978 - 1984)
Ferguson, Charley (1961 - 1969)
Fuller, Randy (1994 - 1999)
Gavin, Chuck (1960 - 1963)
Gilchrist, George (1953 - 1953)
Gilliam, Joe (1972 - 1975)
Griffin, Steve (1987 - 1987)
Hegman, Mike (1976 - 1987)
Hicks, Sylvester (1978 - 1981)
Holland, John (1974 - 1977)
Holland, Vern (1971 - 1980)
Holloway, Steve (1987 - 1987)
Howard, Bryan (1982 - 1982)
Humphrey, Claude (1968 - 1981)
Hunter, Herman (1985 - 1987)
Jackson, Johnny (1977 - 1977)
Jennings, Ligarius (2001 - 2002)
Johnson, Danny (1978 - 1978)
Johnson, Leo (1969 - 1970)
Johnson, Stan (1978 - 1978)
Jones, Ed (1974 - 1989)
Jones, Joe (1970 - 1980)
Jones, Mike (1983 - 1989)
Jones, Roger (1991 - 1997)
Joyce, Eric (2002 - 2002)
Kelly, Jim (1974 - 1974)
Kindle, Greg (1974 - 1977)
Kinnebrew, Larry (1983 - 1990)
Lamb, Mack (1967 - 1968)
Lang, Izzy (1964 - 1969)
Laster, Don (1982 - 1984)
Mallory, Larry (1976 - 1978)
Marsalis, Jim (1969 - 1977)
McCreary, Loaird (1976 - 1979)
Mcrae, Frank (1967 - 1967)
Mcrae, Jerrold (1978 - 1979)
Mitchell, Mel (1976 - 2007)
Mitchell, Willie (1964 - 1971)
Moore, Steve (1983 - 1987)
Oden, Mcdonald (1980 - 1982)
Parker, Rodney (1980 - 1981)
Pillow, Frank (1988 - 1990)
Pleasant, Anthony (1990 - 2003)
Porcher, Robert (1992 - 2003)
Pride, Danny (1968 - 1969)
Reed, Bob (1965 - 1965)
Rice, Harold (1971 - 1971)
Robinson, Johnnie (1966 - 1966)
Robinson, Patrick (1993 - 1994)
Shanks, Simon (1995 - 1995)
Shelton, Anthony (1990 - 1991)
Simpson, Nate (1977 - 1979)
Smith, Fletcher (1966 - 1971)
Smith, John (1979 - 1979)
Smith, Lawrence (2002 - 2004)
Smith, Noland (1967 - 1969)
Smith, Ollie (1973 - 1977)
Stargell, Tony (1990 - 1997)
Sweet, Joe (1972 - 1975)
Taylor, Malcolm (1982 - 1989)
Tharpe, Larry (1992 - 2000)
Thaxton, Jim (1973 - 1978)
Thomas, Charlie (1975 - 1975)
Thompson, Michael (2000 - 2002)
Tucker, Bill (1967 - 1971)
Turner, Hal (1954 - 1954)
Wade, Charlie (1974 - 1977)
Wafer, Carl (1974 - 1980)
Walker, Willie (1966 - 1966)
Walton, Riley (1987 - 1987)
West, Bill (1972 - 1972)
Wheeler, Dwight (1978 - 1988)
Williams, Dan (1993 - 2000)
Wilson, Bernard (1993 - 1998)
Woods, Larry (1971 - 1976)
Woods, Robert (1973 - 1980)
Wynn, Will (1973 - 1977)

FAMU's List

Abdul-Majid, Shabaka (1998)
Alexander, Ray (1984-88)
Atkins, Gene (1987-95)
Beauford, Terry (1991-93)
Bennett, Antoine (1991-93)
Bland, Tony (1995-99)
Bonner, Pat (1999)
Brown, Harry (1992)
Brown, Jamie (1995-99)
Childs, Clarence (1964-68)
Clark, Irvin (1991)
Coleman, Ben (2002)
Coleman, Greg 1977-88)
Coleman, Raymond (1998)
Collier, Ervin (1994-96)
Copeland, Shedrick (2004)
Cousins, Jomo (1998-00)
Dailey, Jauron (2001)
Daniel, Tim (1992-93)
Daniels, David (1996)
Davis, Darryl (1990)
Denson, Alfred (1964-71)
Dillard, Ivory (1994-95)
Dixon, Hewritt (1966-70)
Eason, John (1968)
Edwards, Glen (1971-82)
Evers, William (1990-92)
Fann, Chadd (1993-99)
Felts, Bobby (1965-67)
Finnie, Roger (1969-78)
Frazier, Al (1961-63)
Gainer, Derrick (1989-93)
Galimore, Willie (1957-63)
Ginn, Hubert (1970-78)
Goodrum, Charles (1972-79)
Gray, Quinn (2002- )
Hayes, Bob (1965-75)
Hawkins, Clarece (1979)
Hazelton, Major (1968-70)
Harden, Cedric (1998)
Highsmith, Walter (1968-69)
Hill, Ralph (1976-77)
Holmes, Earl (1996-04)
Holmes, John (1966)
Huckaby, Howard (1990)
James, Nathaniel (1968)
Johnson, Kenneth (1989-90)
Johnson, Olrick (1999-01)
Johnson, Preston (1968)
Johnson, Tyronn (2000)
Jones, Merlon (1986)
Kelly, John (1966-67)
Lamd, Cainon (2000-01)
Lane, Thomas (1980)
Lawrence, Henry (1974-87)
Lee, Willie T. (1963-67)
Lucas, David (1993)
Marion, Frank (1977-83)
McClung, Willie T. (1955-59)
McGriff, Tyron (1980-82)
Mickens, Terry (1994-00)
Middleton, Frank (1984-88)
Milton, Gene (1968-69)
Miranda, Curtis (1962)
Moore, Freddie (2001-02)
Moore, Riley (1960-62)
Nails, Jamie (1997-03)
Newton, Nate (1986-2000)
Nottage, Dexter (1994-99)
Nunnaly, Jacquay (2001)
Oates, Riley (1965-72)
Oates, Carleton (1973)
Paremore, Robert (1963-64)
Powell, Nathaniel (1947)
Rasul, Amir (1991-92)
Riley, Ken (1969-83)
Rogers, Mel (1977)
Seider, JaJaun (2000)
Smith, Don (1967)
Smith, Vernice (1989-96)
Thomas, Gene (1966-68)
Truvillion, Eric (1981)
Tyson, Daryle (1980)
White, Andre (1967-69)
White, Eugene (1962)
Williams, Ken (2000-01)
Williams, Undre (1998-99)
Williams, Wally (1993-00)
Wilson, Robert (1997-99)
Wilson, William (1961)
Wilson, William, Jr. (1986)
Woodson, Fred (1967-69)

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Originally posted by tsutiger:
^ You are on crack. Grambling and TSU fight for the top spot. Everyone else is fighting to be mentioned with the two. That's just being real.

I do believe you have the best coach in BCF. Not the best program.

Dude, TSU is suffering nearly 20 years of futility...how can you even make such a comment. The top three programs over the last 3-4 decades are JSU, FAMU, and Grambling. If you want to go back to the leather helmet days, be my guest.

Also, don't worry about us beating TNState. We got that covered into infinity beginning in 2008.

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Originally posted by B Triple:

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Originally posted by JayRob:

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Originally posted by A&T Brandmasta:
Isnt it borderline blasphemous to mention the playoffs in the SWAC?

Isn't it even MORE blasphemous for a MEAC pawn to dare look down on a conference whose sent TWICE as many players to the NFL and has TWICE the tradition of a faceless conference?! What's the MEAC known for....?! You got it....NOTHING!!!

You're resting on your history sir.

Resting on our history. First, it was the BOOM resting on its history but they are STILL kickin azz and takin names. Now, it's the football living off of history. Yes, ALL OF YOU benefitted from the events that occured after Big Daddy's death but I think our past has caught back up with our present.

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Originally posted by A&T Brandmasta:

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Originally posted by unknown3:

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Originally posted by MORGAN74:
There is a difference between a coach who has aspirations and one who is full of cheap talk.

If Comegy really wanted a national championship he would have taken the Norfolk State job when he was offered it. He could have used his alleged great coaching talent and taken NSU to a national championship.

Instead he eventually turns up at JSU which is in a conference that does not participate in the playoffs and then runs his mouth about how he can take on Appliachia State.

Talk is cheap.

There was about as good of a chance of that happening at NSU as there is at JSU and JSU doesn't even compete in the playoffs.

NSU would have been in the playoffs this past year if not for that rediculous meltdown in Dover in the last game of the season.

And as far as legacy, one might argue that Comegy's former team has a greater legacy than his current team. Who is the most winningest HBCU in history again?

some team in Alabama that JSU leads in our series. If you running a 4 mile race and you start 5 minutes before everyone else and wins does not make you better.

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Originally posted by SUjagTILLiDIE:

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Originally posted by JayRob:
And JSU has sent the greatest player in HBCU football to the NFL and also has sent more QUALITY players to the NFL than ANY HBCU school. I'll put my NFL list up against ANY HBCU school, including fellow SWAC school, Grambling.

No homie. Gram has yall beat by a long shot.

Gram, SU, Famu, and Tenn St. are the historically the top HBCU's when it comes to football. JSU would come in behind those 4.

Dude, SU took about 20 years off in football. JSU came into the SWAC 40 years after you and you only have maybe ONE more SWAC championship than us... LOL TNState has taken much of the last 20 years off. Gram, JSU, and FAMU have been the most consistent.

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Originally posted by Art of NSU:
NOW you want to change the subject That wasn't the point. The point was you said the quality of talent at Norfolk State versus Jackson State is not comparable at all.

Dude, JSU basically scrapped our program for three years and started over. Technically, we are STILL rebuilding it. That is the only reason NSU can even be mentioned in the same sentence as us. You don't want to step on the field with JSU...trust me on that.

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Originally posted by robber:

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Originally posted by A&T Brandmasta:
Your NFL list?

When you put your team against my team, you get tore out the frame!

Lifetime son, lifetime

It's a new day. The game shall be played again. One day. The losses to A&T remind me of the current streak Tenn. State has on JSU. Every game found a new and interesting way for JSU to lose. T.C. dropping a sure TD pass in the Georgia Dome. Tim Manning dropping the ball while he's 20 yards ahead of everybody, then kicking it out the back of the endzone. Bell's first team stinking it up in OT loss. We owe ya.

Rob, those were some lucky mofo's. I am still hurt that one of BCF's sorriest teams hold the lead over us. Hampton stepped up to the plate to take their azz whoopins. We need to get A&T back on the field!!

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Originally posted by Tigerpride:

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Originally posted by A&T Brandmasta:

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Originally posted by unknown3:

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Originally posted by MORGAN74:
There is a difference between a coach who has aspirations and one who is full of cheap talk.

If Comegy really wanted a national championship he would have taken the Norfolk State job when he was offered it. He could have used his alleged great coaching talent and taken NSU to a national championship.

Instead he eventually turns up at JSU which is in a conference that does not participate in the playoffs and then runs his mouth about how he can take on Appliachia State.

Talk is cheap.

There was about as good of a chance of that happening at NSU as there is at JSU and JSU doesn't even compete in the playoffs.

NSU would have been in the playoffs this past year if not for that rediculous meltdown in Dover in the last game of the season.

And as far as legacy, one might argue that Comegy's former team has a greater legacy than his current team. Who is the most winningest HBCU in history again?

some team in Alabama that JSU leads in our series. If you running a 4 mile race and you start 5 minutes before everyone else and wins does not make you better.

Yes, they have won about 200 more games since they started playing earlier, but they have also won a greater percentage of their games.

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Originally posted by Tigerpride:

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Originally posted by tsutiger:
^ You are on crack. Grambling and TSU fight for the top spot. Everyone else is fighting to be mentioned with the two. That's just being real.

I do believe you have the best coach in BCF. Not the best program.

Dude, TSU is suffering nearly 20 years of futility...how can you even make such a comment. The top three programs over the last 3-4 decades are JSU, FAMU, and Grambling. If you want to go back to the leather helmet days, be my guest.

Also, don't worry about us beating TNState. We got that covered into infinity beginning in 2008.

Tennessee State has Jaxson State in a choke hold for a SIX count and counting.......

And if they (Jackson State) thinks we are letting go before a 10 count then......

The Blue Bengals must be....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQYcoPfE7Xk